They have the capability but they’re not there yet. They’re trying to get there, but every time they make progress Israel bombs them back to square. It’s been an effective strategy to stall Iran’s ability to get nukes.

Iran is one of the biggest instigators of genocide in the Middle East. Their proxy terrorist groups have been systematically wiping out religious minorities for decades now.

It is my firm opinion that all people are inherently stupid. We’re just apes that evolved to live in simple ape societies, but we somehow ended up living in insanely complex societies that are all interconnected with each other. It’s just too much for our ape brains to keep up with everything.

Okay, so actually we now know how the situation has and will unfold so there’s no need to speculate.

As it turns out, the boat was actually routed to the port of Ashdod. All 12 activists are fine and they’re currently being detained in a facility nearby after undergoing medical checks. They’re going to stay there until they get deported to their respective countries.

Israel claims that the aid that was on bored will get sent to Gaza through established channels, but whether that will happen is questionable. Also Israel also said that they’re apparently going to make the activists watch videos of the Oct 7th terrorist attacks before deporting them.

Sources: https://apnews.com/article/mideast-wars-gaza-flotilla-greta-thunberg-b64e897fb37ee374e4494381304ff9be

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-flotilla-greta-thunberg-october-7-attack-footage-israel-b2766268.html

I mean we have to go based on the evidence that we have, right? We can’t make up scenarios and pretend they’re reality when they’re not. In this case, Israel radioed the boat to change course to the port of Ashdod and informed the activists that maritime traffic is closed. After that the boat has been intercepted. That’s all we know thus far. Beyond this point, it’s just speculation. I’m saying that based on the history of these incidents, the intercepted boats do actually get routed to the port Ashdod, and then from there the activists are taken into custody until Israeli authorities contact their respective embassies who will help organize their release.

The aid is just symbolic. Gaza has 2 million people, a single small sailboat worth of partial cargo isn’t enough to even be considered a drop in the bucket. The only real way humanitarian aid can make a difference is if Israel and Egypt allow hundreds of tucks in daily.

This is actually based on what they did in during the 2010 incident. At the same there 6 boats, not one like this time. 3 of the boats at the time were for cargo and 3 were for passengers. 5 of the boats that were intercepted went through what I described above, but the last one was the one you’re talking about. It was one of the passenger boats, it has 590 passengers on board. Of these passengers, 40 or so of them refused to cooperate with the Israeli soldiers on board and some started attacking them. This resulted in the Israeli soldiers killing 9, a 10th one died 4 years later due to related injuries, and injured a dozens more. At the same time the activists injured 10 Israeli soldiers, including one that was in serious condition. Even then, the rest of the passengers were still released after the incident.

Well, I guess it has utility because we’re talking about it.

I guess, but at the same time this has been the most talked about international conflict of this decade so they’re bringing attention to a thing that is already receiving a lot of attention.

I don’t really think there’s much else that can be done other than state level actors putting a stop to it. Or like a reverse crusade where freeing Palestine from Israel is the goal, need a leader for that.

Force is not going to end this catastrophe. First of all nobody wants to get directly involved, especially on the side of the Palestinians, but even if they did, Israel is quite strong. Arab coalitions in the past tried to do just this and they weren’t successful.

The only way for this conflict to actually end is for Israel to end it, and the only way this can happen is if Netanyahu and his coalition get ousted from government. He should’ve been in prison decades ago, but it’s very likely he will be once this war ends which is likely why he doesn’t want to end it. Regardless, if this government doesn’t collapse soon, then we will have to wait until the next general Israeli elections on Oct 27th, 2026. Either Netanyahu’s coalition ends the war themselves to try to win back the public before the elections or the opposing coalition is going to end it right after they win.

Genuine question, how did you come up with any of these? Do you just throw any random label without taking into account what they mean?

To be imprisoned means to be kept in confinement as a punishment. They’re not prisoners by the definition of the word nor are they being tortured (like where did you even get this from?). If we were to label their current status accurately then they’re arrestees in custody of Israel.

No, this is what will realistically happen:

1. They’ll intercept the boat
2. They’ll haul it to a nearby Israeli port (like the port of Ashdod)
3. They’ll detain and question the people on board for a bit to confirm their identities
4. They’ll call their respective embassies in Israel
5. They’ll have them either released to the embassies or directly deported to their countries

And that would be the end of it.

This is something that I see a lot and it’s irks me the wrong way every time. I know that people on the internet get emotional, but we gotta stop abusing words. The word hostage describes something very specific, in this case it’s this:

a person held by one party in a conflict as a pledge pending the fulfillment of an agreement (source)

Basically a hostage is a prisoner that is specifically held captive to be used as a bargaining chip.

This is precisely the reason why the hostages taken by Hamas are called as such. They were taken with intention of using them to cut a deal with Israel later on. But in this case, Israel is very unlikely to use the people on this boat to negotiate any deal, we don’t even know if they’re even going to be detained or released once the ship gets routed to one Israel’s ports. But if Israel does detain after the fact then that’s just imprisonment.

Realistically, the rioters are going to eventually be condemned by the peaceful protestors, and the general population will soon follow, thus giving support for law enforcement to squash them and end the fiasco. This has been the case for a loooooong time.

You’re so dishonest it’s unbelievable. Nobody is arguing with you on your political opinions, that’s not the point of contention. You can think whatever you want, that’s your problem and right. What I was saying is that normal people don’t think about politics 24/7 like terminally online Lemmy users. People treat politics like they do any other subject. There are times when they think about, talk about it, and take action on it, and times where they don’t. It’s really simple as that.

This idea that people you deem as non privileged think about politics all day everyday is not reality. That’s an out of touch assumption that you made up to justify an inaccurate worldview you have. People not thinking about politics 24/7 doesn’t mean they don’t care about politics or that they ignore politics, it means that there’s more to life than politics. People who do spend all their time talking and thinking about politics aren’t normal, those are zealots, they’re fanatics. This is not a new or controversial, this was literally always the case.

You’re not a normal person, literally go outside and touch grass.

Normal people have political opinions, they do discuss politics, but that’s not their every thought. It might be shocking for you to hear, but people actually have lives outside of arguing about politics. This is true for people all around the world, rich or poor, old or young, male or female. Even in the most dire of circumstances, people find ways to enjoy life and not think about stressful things all the time. Otherwise they would be miserable all the time… like you.

Pointing out the reality is not “tasting the boot”, that’s just a cop out made by people on this site whenever their shitty opinions get exposed or pushed back. It’s a lazy way to dismiss criticism or opinions that contradict their extremely narrow and out of touch worldview. Come back to me when you actually go outside and talk to people from different backgrounds. Until then, you’re a zealot.

Only zealots think like this. Politics is not everything, it is a topic like any other. If you can’t have a conversation with another person or enjoy an activity without thinking about politics, then you’re spending too much time online.