Haha I have a lot of love and joy in my life, do you really need to resort to baseless ad hominems for your argument?
And why exactly do I not have a claim? I cited scripture which directly contradicts your point and provided a clear argument. I could be very easily “talked out” of my position if you simply presented any scripture where Jesus shows support for trans rights. Thus far you have not done that.
Jesus literally contradicted those passages, both in His most famous teaching (Matthew 22:34-40) and in the “why we can eat bacon cheeseburgers” post-resurrection vision in Acts 10.
I’m looking at the NIV translation of these verses and am entirely unconvinced. Saying some nice platitudes which are in no way specific to transphobia does nothing to undo the transphobic tradition that he is perpetuating.
The most straightforward reconciliation of this is to posit that the pre-Christian israelites either did not preserve God’s law as recorded by Moses after breaking the original tablets, or that Moses himself introduced errors when he carved the second set.
Strongly disagree again. The most straightforward reconciliation of this is to posit that Jesus as well as Moses were mere humans and none of this originates from God. Either way, it doesn’t really matter. If Jesus and/or the author’s of the Gospels had issues with the words transcribed from Moses, they should have addressed those specifically and advocated for trans people instead of staying silent and letting transphobism fester.
Most Jews and Christians don’t require their cloaks to have tassels or religiously mandate fields of monoculture crops or demand that men and women have entirely separate fashion. And even if you did, the most common form of trans-gender expression is to adopt the clothes of said gender, so mere transgenderism doesn’t violate Deuteronomy 22:5 (or 23:2, which is either abelsim or ethnic bigotry and doesn’t even apply to bottom-surgery transexuals.)
What modern religious people practice has little to do with what Jesus said, which is the subject of your original claim. Jesus’ words reified the transphobic tradition of the Old Testament, and without explicit acceptance of trans people and rejection of those original words, I see a very clear case that Jesus was (or at least perpetuated being) transphobic.
(It’s between you and God if you believe in Him or not, FWIW. Im happy to answer any other questions you’d like to ask.)
No I don’t have any questions; I have a claim with substantial evidence that Jesus perpetuated anti-trans beliefs and I have yet to see any evidence to the contrary.
And, just to be clear, you can’t cite any Bible verses about Jesus being transphobic because He wasn’t. All the gospels report Him saying are “don’t stone adulterers”, “divorce and emotional cheating are bad”, and “love each other as you love yourselves”.
I’m not convinced. What do you make of Deuteronomy 22 and 23? They seem pretty explicitly transphobic to me. Granted, these aren’t the direct words of Jesus, and I understand that Jesus “rejected” some of the old testament teachings to some extent… which sounds like a load of BS to me considering the Trinity doctrine. Jesus doesn’t need to explicitly condemn trans people when he propagates a tradition that does it for him.
Right… Those famous tankies, The Guardian.
I don’t really follow your train of thought. People would have been just as aware (if not more, due to the prevalence of multigenerational households) of this in the past as they are now, no?
Sure, friend. Read it over again and ask yourself if you might have made any assumptions there rather than it being based purely out of fraternal love.