Is that better or worse?

Did he solicit children from the church? I dont think any of this was in person.

Sucks that he was trying to get help with it. The buck stops at his solicitation of nudes to minors though. He gets what he deserves here.

I dont understand how you dont question a jpeg. A child made this meme. It did not happen.

Now if it were a png, thats a good source. Theres a lot more transparency.

Just heli-drop heribcides and pesticides on the affected areas? This isnt rocket science.

Yay real information

Really reaching for news arent we?

People in this thread: sensible

Idk why we need to say we are certain about someones intention. It could just be a mental stability thing, like many people have problems with. His tweets are just far more consequential than a regular persons. He might not be as strongly shaped by social norms due to his fortunate circumstance.

(Im not defending anything. I just want truth and theres no point in extrapolating the situation further than what we see on the surface… just punish him according to what he did, or become a journalist and get relevant details to judge him further)

I guess i have been overly defensive against you, but i saw your first semantic argument as being obtuse when to me, saying it was probably a joke does not evaluate to: ‘musk is blameless and im siding with him’.

Defining a joke to me, seemed a little combative compared to asking me a clarifying question so i felt like you were trying to discredit me instead of trying to understand, which seemed like punishing a commenter for not aligning with the sentiment of the chain. In hindsight i think your comments were fair…

Forgive the run-on response: The top comment on this chain mentioned it was a joke, and the reply was that it was not a joke. I guess they could have meant that from the perspective of a semantic definition of the word joke. I interpreted it as them saying musk did not intend it as a joke.

When someone says “i was just joking”, it does not always mean they delivered a joke by your definition provided above, in fact its usually the case that it doesnt because they are having to tell their audience its not a joke. If i were interpreting “i was just joking” with the intention to accurately understand that person, i would assume they meant: “i wasnt serious”, “i thought it was funny to say that”, or “whoops that wasnt recieved like i thought it would be”.

All that to say: to me, musk genuinely seemed to miscalculate the poor taste of his comment. In my opinion, Musk didnt seem to try to incite violence, which is the basis for the outrage. He is just short-sighted and the consequences are far reaching compared to a normal person saying something which would otherwise just be “a bad joke”.

Edit: And yeah to be clear i think he’s an idiot. But i dont think he had evil intention here.

I get why you would see someone calling it a joke and want to punish that because it was not funny and potentially dangerous.

But it can both be true that he was trying to make a joke, and that he was grossly irresponsible doing so.

You are telling me what i believe (that it wasnt a big deal) and im sorry but this reactive extrapolation of information that is constant and pervasive on sites like lemmy is something i hate and anyone can say im taking it too seriously but it keeps people from engaging/thinking instead of memeing.

What if you werent right about that though and i was offering my perception based on very little context?

Its just frustrating how stuff gets extrapolated to make me something im not based on nearly zero information about me. Why does it always have to be about who the commenter is instead of the fact that it seemed like elon probably thought he was joking or not being irresponsible? I think hes an idiot who misguidedly pursues free speech for its own sake.

Can you really tell me any response to my comment has good intention to talk about what elon meant? Because it just seems like people want to destroy some unsorted injustice by calling me out for other things i might think.

Yeah i can imagine theres a definition he isnt meeting for him to call it a joke. Im saying i think he truly believes he wasnt being serious. I think he was being edgy and sarcastically accusing democratic elite of an assassination attempt.

And i would expect someone to follow up with how irresponsible that is, and that it still doesnt fit the webster definition of a joke. Please understand that im an imperfect human being who was giving their opinion about their perception of musks intention based on very little context.

Sometimes its impossible to post a comment of your own opinion when it could potentially be percieved as going against what is objectively morally right… when really there is no deeper meaning than my perception.

I dont see that as a call for people to assassinate biden, but a sarcastic accusation that democrats are trying to assassinate trump.

Listen i know most comments are trying to voice a grander opinion but mine is simply a genuine belief that he was being an edgy dumbass who didnt consider how much influence he has over dumb people that might see it as a call to action of some kind.

If you are truly asking me then theres my answer. If you are trying to uncover my secret status as a disinformation agent or something then please… leave me alone.

Idk maybe that democrats are the ones trying to kill trump? That was my first impression anyway.

I mean it was probably a joke.

Or counting has gotten worse