Fun fact: Torx screwdrivers are compatible with Torx Plus screws, but Trox Plus screwdrivers are only compatible with Torx screws that are one size larger
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I’m Jewish, so I’m going to have to go with the tamper-resistant Torx when I need to use screws on myself.
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Fuck you all!! I’m not arguing about this again :(
But I found this interesting.
https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-screws-and-screwdrivers-1992422
Plus what?!
Torx are superior to all other types. I’ve been a carpenter for roughly three decades, and have suffered through all manner of fastening methods that have come and gone. None of them can hold a candle to Torx. I’ve never seen another type that can resist stripping out so well and for so long.
Fellow contractor here. Torx or go home. Drywall screws are the only exception I’m willing to make.
What about hexes?
Robertson is superior to all.
Torx can’t hold shit. They’re single use screws.
And a set of Allen keys usually saves a trip to the hardware store if you’re missing the right size Torx bit.
Hexes save trip to store when you need torx? How?
Because a hex key can fit (albeit imperfectly) into a Torx opening and loosen or tighten the fastener as needed.
It’s more likely to slip or strip, but it’s better than nothing.
Torx should be the default over Phillips for sure. Phillips is fine for shit like access panels or screw terminals. Slotted is useless for anything but the adjustment on pots and thermostats. Robertson is just a proto-torx. Everything else either exists to make someone money or is a bolt
How do you feel about square drive? I’m no carpenter, just someone that’s done enough work around the house, but I’ve found that Torx are the best option but square is a close second (but I don’t think I’ve used them in any especially high torque situations, and they may fall short there).
Square drive (or Robertson) I consider a close second. They do tend to strip out faster, especially in “softer” fasteners like stainless steel.
So square is a close second in terms of quality, while being vastly simpler and cheaper to manufacture. Seems to me like i’d prefer square.
Also i’d be terrified of getting dirt in a torx screw, good luck cleaning it to make it usable again. Though i haven’t actually had this problem personally so it’s just a hunch
I have torx all over my mountain bike that gets caked in dirt, a little bit of water and a pick gets them usable in seconds. I could argue that hex is superior to square but they’re both worse than torx so who really cares.
You clearly have no idea how fasteners are manufactured… and you worry needlessly about hypotheticals.
Square and Robertson are different. No taper in square
When you buy the screws they usually come with a drill bit that fits them
Torx is the 🐐! Phillips are just terrible, I prefer slotted over Phillips. You can slip out quite easily with slotted but if you are in there they work ok.
Don’t discount hex, paired with a ball-end wrench, those are great for odd angles or tight spaces a straight wrench can’t get too.
The “wtf is this?” is settings, obviously.
Lmao you’ve clearly never met Philips.
And if you’re advocating slotted screws (flathead) you’ve already lost.
Torx is supreme. The end.
Robertson is superior.
Hex is supreme, torx is mental health problem
Hex strips itself constantly. Torx never does that.
Ah, torx plus, used on Chevy bellhousings. Real easy to strip with a regular torx driver.
And how many of these are needed by the dictates of their use VS how many are needed to restrict your access?
The EU should fine companies for introducing new standards that break old standards. Or any shit standards like Toslink: https://lemmy.world/comment/10671314 . Standardization organizations shouldn’t be sleeping through all this shit.
Robinson aka the square head is by far the superior choice.
Found the Canadian.
As a person that changes out a lot of electrical outlets and switches I have to agree.
I’m not canadian, so I don’t have a lot of experience with robertson. But from the limited experience that I do have, I would rate it 10/10.
What would you recommend for smaller screws (e.g. for electronics)? As far as I know, there aren’t smaller sizes of robertson like there are with torx?
Pozidrive has real nice engagement and doesn’t cam out like Phillips does. And JIS drivers do a better job in Phillips than Phillips ones do.
Yeah but JIS for screws/bolts has been abandoned by the Japanese govt as of… 2005?
My JIS screwdrivers are fantastic, not easy to torque out on a regular Phillips screw. Stick with the “vessel” brand.
I did not know that, but yes to Vessel!
I think I was wrong, see edit. Carry on!
Pozidriv reliably makes me projectile vomit ☹️
Philips doesn’t cam out that easily either. Most people just don’t realize there’s three common sizes.
