I’ve had enough of this “you can’t blame democrats for what Republicans are doing.” They’ve set up and maintained a system where they’re the only people who can push back on the fascists, and now that the time has come they’re refusing to stand up, and keeping anyone else from standing up.
They’re not just incompetent, they’re complicit. The billionaires and Republicans are our Nazis, and the Democrat leadership are our Vichy France.
Don’t worry both sides are not the same though so you can take that to the bank, not the same bank that the democrats are cashing their corporate checks in though because that would be unseemly.
I am only half kidding, maybe a quarter kidding.
I can only afford to nickel kid these days.
“There’s nothing we can do!”
-Democrats as they rubber stamp a fascist agenda
Fucking Christ! You don’t have leverage? Withholding your fucking votes is leverage! Let it shut down.
Yeah it’s Trump’s fault if it shuts down too. They always blame the president so I don’t see the issue. Also the government has been doing horrible things lately so it should be shutdown for as long as possible. Maybe 4 years
That’s the default setting for Democrats in every situation, until there’s a whiff of class solidarity in the air. Then the Democrats suddenly become the most powerful force imaginable, able to tank campaigns and careers with a phone call.
Looks like they’re sticking to their guns.
Glad they’re finally listening
Now is the time to shut it down. Republicans are hugely unpopular right now.
The lawmaker said Democrats are worried they would get the blame for a shutdown if they voted to defeat the House bill. The House is out of session for the rest of the week, upping the pressure on Senate Democrats.
Voters haven’t punished Republicans for their numerous shut downs. But that said, voters are always more likely to blame Democrats for anything at all.
In the article there are definitely some interesting points. Like how Elon would probably use the shut down to fire even more people. Or Trump would use it to take even more power from Congress.
I still think the Democrats need to stand firm and refuse to vote for it, make Republicans pass it via reconciliation. Shut it down if necessary. But there’s definitely a lot of possibly terrible outcomes to a shut down to consider.
They should vote no on every single bill the Republicans put forward.
Of course they are.
And, of course they will.
Feckless spineless wimps that they are.
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Spineless
I’ve said this before (fucking search my comment history if you dare), Both parties are two sides of a shit sandwich (yes, the republicans are the side where the actual turn is in). We need a 3rd party to compete, and actually organize to push both of these parties out. Won’t be overnight, but we can – and should, do it.
I wonder if elon could be blocked from terminating another few thousand jobs if the government is shut down.
That might be a good reason to block the bill. In addition to all of the bullshit that’s in it that should be blocked anyways.“Senate Democrats appear ready to back down”
Full stop, no need to further qualify that…
If they didn’t have people to their left to stand against, it would be a tautology.
Spineless fucks. Predictable, unfortunately.
Democrats and being pushovers. Name a better duo.
An important thing you all need to understand about the Filibuster: it’s not the final vote. It’s basically a vote to stop talking and hold a vote. So all the Democrats can do with a Filibuster is delay (perhaps indefinitely).
But as a wise Canadian philosopher once noted: “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice”. What to Democrats gain by delaying this indefinitely? Without some action, the government gets shut down. All they gain is a closed government and a bunch of fingers pointed at them. Republicans know this, and will not give any concessions for Democratic votes.
The best move is to allow the vote, and then vote against the actual bill. They make their objection known, but still allow the government to stay open.
Didn’t hurt the Republicans every time they threatened a shutdown when the Democrats were in power. And if the Dems think they can get some concessions from the R’s by forcing the country to get hit, then it might be worth it to stop some crazy shit in the long run.
They will get no concessions, because Republicans do not care if the Federal government shuts down. They want to drown it in the bathtub. Republicans are effective weaponizing the government shutdown because they know they don’t care, and Democrats do.
However, government shutdown in general are very unpopular. When Republicans go there, their immediate popularity takes a hit. The problem is that American voters have short memories, and are likely to forget before the next election.
You hit it on the head!
I’m all about trying to obstruct what the GOP are doing…but what’s the gain in picking this fight? What’s the “better deal” to be had?
If I were a GOPer that truly cared about the national debt, I’d be pissed that Johnson is passing an extension of Biden spending priorities after he said back in December that the budget fight would come in March. Of course we’ll see how many “budget hawks” actually remember that conversation.
They will get no concessions, because Republicans do not care if the Federal government shuts down.
A shutdown is preferable to expediting this and giving republicans an earlier opportunity to move on to other, worse legislation. Thought democrats were about harm reduction. Guess that was just a lie to get people to vote for their pro-genocide candidates.
