• plantmoretrees@lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    Gun control would make so much more sense if we treated guns like vehicles.

    Want to drive a car?

    New driver?

    Pass a test, and get a provisianal license to operate safely with experienced users in your company.

    Test to prove proficiency, ensure you don’t have any restrictive health issues that could impact your safe operation of the unit, validate your insurance coverage and you get a standard operators permit.

    Need to use the big equipment?

    Take some additional safety courses, beef up your insurance and prove you can handle it - with regular check ins and enhanced supervision and you get a commercial license.

    Want to do something different, like the gun equivalent of a motorcycle? Another test and license endorsement to use.

    Main theory - you can have anything you want but agree to prove and maintain proficiency and be mentally and physically able to operate it. Regular check ins to ensure your abilities do not wain and annual registration.

    This is not crazy. If it works for cars, semi trucks, motorcycles etc - it should work for deadly weapons.

    And remember, we have handicapped drivers, we have people on probationary permits etc, breathalyzer start switches, etc ……there are lots of places for reasonable accommodations to the infringed and those with limited or restricted capacity.

    But to just turn the keys of a semi truck with a double trailer over to 16 year old with near sighted vision?

    They’d say you are crazy.

    But anyone of legal age can walk in, grab an AR-15 and disappear into the woodwork for the rest of their lives with capacity for mass assault and no one does anything about it.

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      3 days ago

      I understand why you say this, but Americans have a right to bear arms, not vehicles. The only reason for all the controls on vehicles is because they are a privilege, not a right.

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        You should be allowed to bear arms without bullets, in a small “right to bear arms zone” far outside of any town, in a desert, with a bunch of “law enforcement” (chuckle) types pointing guns at you while you bear them. Fair is fair.

        We have a right to free political speech too, anytime anywhere. But we dont have those rights anymore outside of “free speech zones” far from anywhere people will see you, and you will be threatened and physically abused and your cars vandalized by cops if you go to one. So cry me a river on your “constitutional” “right to bear arms”.

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        As the founders intended, we have a right to bear a single-bore muzzle-loaded flint-lock. Anything more than that should really be a separate right.

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          And you should also be required to regularly attend militia training if you have any kind of weapon.

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    I completely disagree with banning rifles and pistols. However, I am all for intensive background checks, psychological tests, firearm classes and tests, mandatory storage safety with inspections and licensing classifications depending on what you want to buy. The Europeans do this correctly and the US allows lunatics to own firearms.

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        “If you’ve smoked weed in the last 5 years or have Trump Derangement Syndrome, I’m afraid I can’t sell this to you.”

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      mandatory storage safety with inspections

      Here in the U.S. our Constitution prohibits the government from performing searches of people’s homes with first having probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and a warrant to search their home that has been signed by a judge. Const. Amend. IV.

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      Do you think Americans have it in them to actually do that?. I think when tyranny comes knocking at their door, many Americans will comply and many will even want to join them, maybe some isolated pockets go full Waco, TX on them but the goverment has spent trillions of American tax money on building weapons of war that they’ve used on foreign civilian populations for decades, all they have to do is point it inwards and then it doesn’t matter how many Glocks you’ve got does it.

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    This is one thing I hate about democrats. They barely swing a few undecided voters and throw it all away by bringing up an item that many undecided voters take as a single-issue subject.

    Gun issues are a losing topic.

    Focus efforts on anything else (healthcare, housing, etc) and gun violence will drop.

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      Totally agree. Gun issues need to be off the table entirely until sanity has returned to government. Dems need to focus on making normal government operations and improving living standards as exciting as the threat of taking over Canada.

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        History and human nature says otherwise. There will always be violence of some kind. Someone always wants more.

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          Sure. But the violence decreeces when resources for each are plentiful. Its just how need and desperation work in the animal kingdom. Less competition equals less violence

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            Absolutely. I was responding to your comment that uses the language that it “stops violence”. Decreases is different, and we’re on the internet so there is probably some moron who thinks it will actually stop all violence and utopia will sprout. 😆

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      Ronnie Reagan and George Bush Sr are notorious gun control freaks and they are GOP. Yes, improving labor rules and public services would relieve the stress on the Americans reducing violence. No wonder the USA experiences so many “going postal” murders.

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      So good to see more people understanding this. Spend the political capital on shit that will actually reduce our violence, vs virtue signaling to a ever shrinking group of anti-2a voters.

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      While the proposed bill in the article was a poorly-defined measure, I object to the idea that gun control will always be losing. It’s one of The Onion’s reliable jokes; “No way to present this, says only nation where this kind of thing happens regularly”. And that’s not because healthcare and housing are perfectly solved issues everywhere else.

      I’ve spoken with several gun owners in my state who are in perfect agreement that many do not respect the weight those objects have, and follow no safety rules - and would like to see sane regulations on model production and better background check systems, based specifically around how the most gun crimes are committed. We’re just in a ridiculous spiral where the right keeps complaining Democrats want to take away all guns, and lawmakers keep aiming for these vague “assault bans” that would accomplish nothing.

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    This makes me kinda concerned tbh but nonetheless its a welcome surprise. The only bigger warning sign would be pritzker lifting the assault weapon ban in my state. That to me would signal they know something is gonna happen.

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    Love a vague headline that tells me nothing about how to think.

    Edit: I meant but about how to think, oh well.