• pete_the_cat@lemmy.world
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    This literally sounds like a mob guy coming into a store and “suggesting” that you need to pay “protection money” or else something bad may happen…

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    Russia attacking NATO would give a significant chunk of the globe the green light to obliterate Putin.

    This is likely the route to ending the war on Ukraine with the lowest loss of human life.

    So… Go on Putin, try it.

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      That would actually be 4d chess. Encourage Russia to invade and let Poland crush it

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        The problem with this is that Russia will rather take whole world down with it than admit defeat. They don’t obey the rules (and laws) of war.

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          Anymore. The Russians themselves did for a time. Case in point the times a russian actively prevented WW3 or rather a nuclear exchange.

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            That’s a fairy tale - just another piece of Russian propaganda you seem to be unaware of.

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              So you are telling me Arkhipov and Petrov where just propaganda figures to promote the “good will” of the soviet union?

              You can do that all day long, without hard facts I will not believe you, because both cases have been documented extensively and thoroughly. Ukrainian propaganda is doing a bad job, grasping at straws these days. I’m still 100% behind Ukraine, but negating everything and trying to paint anyone who isn’t in line as the bad guy is straight out of the soviet and russian handbooks.

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                Painting Russia as the rational side who actually wants peace and the evil West as the warmongers (not just for this war) is a fairy tale and one of the main taking points of Russian propaganda. I’m not saying you’re on their side but if you parrot them without putting it into perspective, you’re doing their bidding.

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                  I’d never paint Russia as the rational side - which is why the distinction between Russia and the Soviet Union AND the distinction between individuals is important, imho.

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    Quick reminder: NATO’s collective defense clause, also known as Article 5, has only been triggered once. It was invoked in response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States.

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      Reminder that Trump was happy about those attacks that day because they made his property value go up

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        He said that on the day.

        A few hours after the towers collapsed, he decided to call into a radio station and brag. No one asked him, he just did it. And he said:

        “Well, it was an amazing phone call,” Mr Trump told WWOR. “I mean, 40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan. And it was actually – before the World Trade Center – was the tallest. And then when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest, and now it’s the tallest.”

        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/9-11-trump-tallest-building-manhattan-b2164420.html

        And, like most things Trump says, it wasn’t even true. It was never the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan.

        So, on 9/11, while first responders were digging through the rubble and pulling out corpses, Trump called up the biggest radio station in New York to lie about how tall his building was.

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          It was never the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan.

          Are you sure about that? It was once the tallest building in the world, then the second tallest (after the Chrysler Building), and (Wikipedia says so) after the 70 Pine Street was build the 2nd tallest in “Lower Manhattan”.

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            As the article I linked to said-

            As multiple fact checks later pointed out, this was not true. The Wall Street building had not been the tallest building in lower Manhattan in the 1970s, when the Twin Towers were constructed, nor was it the tallest in the area after 2001.

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    Had he just said that NATO countries are failing their duty as a member as they’re not paying the agreed amount of money for the alliance he would actually sound sane. Most Europeans agree to that. The governments have been slacking for years, and now there is a war. Again.

    Instead he talks like a lunatic. Fuck that guy.

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      I don’t think he’s talking to NATO countries anymore than he’s talking to his party.

      I think he’s asking Putin for help again.

      I don’t know that Putin really wants anything more from Trump though. He got the discord he wanted to distract the US. He got to flex on all of the world by Trump getting elected and demonstrating his spook prowess.

      But, that’s just my opinion, Putin has forgotten more about international politics and power than I’ll likely ever know.

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      The fact that we’re still unsure that it’s going to keep him from getting elected is a thoroughly frightening prospect.

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    I’m over the insane sewage that spews from his mouth and not clicking on any trump articles (ragebait) … fuck the news they are salivating at the money if he is president again.

    So if anyone is feeling generous I’m a little OLL could you explain what these like dumbass ok hands are??? Is he about to do the batman hand mask?

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    My only hope with a second Trump term is that when he inevitably drags the US out of NATO, the other member states invest more heavily into their military budgets, rally to support each other and make it a true defensive pact.

    NATO would definitely feel the hit of losing US support, but I don’t think this will tip the scales in Ukraine. If the other states chip in, I think they’ll hold out.

    It’s more hilarious that the Republican Party have managed to dupe their own stereotypically patriotic supporters into allowing them to sell out to Russia. Aren’t they forgetting the decades of anti-Commie propaganda being fed to them?

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    Can we just start encouraging people to attack Trump instead? How is it that people like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, John Lennon, JFK, and others can get gun-downed by random psychos, but one of the worst humans to ever exist is still skating by scot-free? Will no one rid us of this turbulent Trump? (obviously I’m being satirical here)

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    If that dick sucker gets back in we are closing our borders so fucking fast. Also Canada is part of the British commonwealth so we know what side the UK will be on if this idiot tries anything.