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      I think you mean much cheaper than what WE pay for them to stay at his hotel. That’s tax payers’ money. Fuck that guy.

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    The current record for number of US presidental votes received while in prison is about 1,000,000. Eugene V. Debs is the record holder, and that election was in 1920. Trump just may beat him this year. There is no law that says you can’t be president while in prison.

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      It’s not like Trump is going to prison for this. He’s old, has no record, and did serve as president, regardless of how people feel about it. Plus, he’s going to appeal, which means this thing will drag on long enough to still not matter, sadly.

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        In the state of New York, you serve time while awaiting appeal. If the judge opts to remand him to house arrest, which I think is the most likely outcome, his ass is staying put until his next court date.

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            NYS BAR Association: https://nysba.org/NYSBA/Publications/LegalEASE Pamphlet Series/PUBS_LegalEase_YourRIghtsToAppealInCriminalCase_final.pdf

            Bear in mind that the sentence imposed by the lower court will go into effect while the appeal is being considered by the appellate court unless the trial judge or appellate court stays the sentence or a part of it (orders that it not go into effect). The order staying the judgment of conviction and sentence may include a requirement to post bail.

            The “unless” (emphasis mine) is the operative word. The trial judge can choose to exercise discretion, but is under no requirement to specify any changes upon receiving an appeal.

            That is to say, the default procedure is, as I said above, the convicted party serves their sentence during the time the appeal is being processed and considered.

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              You’re technically correct, but your comment may have mislead others to think remaining incarcerated was likely. It’s far more common to allow for exceptions during appeal of a nonviolent crime. He’ll also gain favor as a former President, as the judge will determine eligibility based on character and previous record.

              With that being said, I don’t think sentencing will include prison time, due to the fact that they’re nonviolent class E felonies. I hope I’m wrong.

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          That’s assuming they actually sentence him to any kind of confinement and not just a really big fine (that he can’t and won’t pay anyway).

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            I mean, that judge is NOT happy with Trump, and has already lamented the fact that fines mean nothing to him.

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              Ooh this is an interesting point! I wonder if the continual fines having no effect to stop him from violating the gag order will give the judge a very defensible reason to sentence for something other than a fine.

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          While that may mean there is a technical component to it, that’s not what people mean when they’re thinking about it. Being put into a prison is what people are referring to and that isn’t likely to happen.

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          No, he had a sexual abuse charge, not rape. None of the above was a criminal charge, only civil.

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    Would be a good thing if the service were denied to convicted felons. Go a long way to legitimizing it

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        I’d agree but there is a lot of “actual journalism” that is freely accessible. ProPublica, for example.

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          Is their funding method viable for every single journalism outlet though? Or maybe there better question would be, for every article posted, is there a 501c3 (or otherwise sustainably funded) news outlet that has published coverage on the same story?

          I’m not disagreeing or agreeing with you, I’m just writing out some of my own indecision on the topic. Journalism is vitally important but it seems like it’s very difficult for people to make a living doing it and I don’t know what the answer is.

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            I understand your question but it doesn’t address my initial question: why are we posting paywalled links to public news? Everyone was reporting on this,(Edit: I may be wrong about that) I’m sure there is a free independent news source that has a similar article, so why are we putting up a paywall link to a NYT article? Wouldn’t it be more effective to post a link everyone could access?

            Edit: I am now going to look and see if there’s anyone else reporting this, if it is exclusive to NYT, great, but each day I see a interesting article only to get halfway through and get hit with a “money please!” paywall.

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              That’s fair. I was definitely using your question to voice something I have been thinking about for a while, more than actually addressing it/you specifically. Sorry about that.

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        During the Jan6 riot, the Secret Service tried to get Mike Pence into a car with agents that Pence didn’t recognize. The worry was that the agents were either rogue, or working directly for Trump.

        Either way, Pence refused to get into the car because he knew he had to certify the election, which meant he had to stay in the building. His worry was that rogue agents (or agents taking orders from Trump) would spirit him away and prevent him from certifying the results.