I think it’s a bit unfair they call it just “paint” when it was merely cornstarch that would wash off by itself.
There’s a huge difference in the degree of vandalism if it’s something that wash off by itself.How and what will these crazy activists vandalize next? Shining a flashlight at the pyramids?!
stealing the moon
TO RAISE AWARENESS, WE WILL BE TURNING OFF THE SUN TONIGHT AT (checks weather.gov) 8:02PM
Disgusting. What monsters! Mountains need darkness, are they trying to make them sleep deprived and angry? That’s how volcanos are made…
Media uses language like this on purpose, most of their copy comes from single-sources and everyone on every news station is repeating the same rhetoric. They did this with the soup/painting incident as well, making it seem like the protestors ruined priceless artifacts instead of spilling harmless food products on a sheet of plexiglass.
All that hand wringing over what kind of protest should be ok, you guys are exhausting. The kind of protest doesn’t make a difference at all. A lot of people will say it’s unacceptable no matter what. I’ll even admit sometimes a protest misses the mark, but I’m still glad they did it.
The kids are alright
My only opinion is that if the protest dosen’t hurt the owner class, then it’s not going to do anything anyway.
Any protest is better than complaining or arguing on the internet. I’ll let the tactics to the actual people doing their actions. Nothing but encouragement from me 👍
The protest isn’t intended to hurt the owner class. The protest is intended to draw attention to the issue. We’re talking about it therefore it’s an effective form of protest.
Without protests like this we go about our lives worrying about bills and ignore the literal apocalyptic catastrophe we’re nose-diving into.
How would your reaction have been if it wasn’t a cultural artifact creating by Europeans? Say they did it at Native American site or Aboriginal?
Don’t waste energy categorizing right or wrong ways to protest. All this is a distraction from the actual issues.
Don’t tell me what to do.
I wasn’t really, only in a rhetorical sense. You’re kinda being a dick about it, tho. Are you on a mission to be the most downvoted commenter or something? Don’t let me get in your way.
Gotcha. So now we know the answer.
But Flying Squid said it was irreparably damaged with crack seepage or whatever
Why are you lying about what I said?
Is this an example of positivity and productivity, the things you claimed I lacked?
It’s stone. Stone is full of cracks. It will get into those cracks and not wash off.
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Interesting that you aren’t linking to where I said that. Perhaps it was because I said it in the other thread yesterday and not today after I read this article and found out I was wrong?
Is it that you’re being highly dishonest or is that just my negativity and lack of productivity that made me lack psychic powers?
So you said it yesterday without any proof or knowledge? Why would you make such a statement when you come from a place of ignorance? Would you have come here and declared you’ve reversed your position and apologized to the people you zealously argued against from said place of ignorance or did you only do so when called out?
I speculated yesterday and they dishonestly took what I said out of context.
“Said” is past tense. Yesterday, when you were pretending to be an authority on historic rocks, you said it wouldn’t wash off. I didn’t see that thread and immediately understood what they meant.
They weren’t being even slightly dishonest, but it’s clear you are. Would you have admitted you were wrong if you weren’t called out by name? My gut feeling is “not a chance”.
When did I ever claim to be an authority? That’s just a lie.
You’re just arguing from a petty and pedantic place while half the globe is frying.
Maybe just shut up. You wont’ regret it, you won’t get stuck ruminating on all these internet strangers who don’t like you, you can get on with your day and let people who care more about our world than old rocks get on with our day as well.
You might read the order of comments here and notice that people are attacking me, not the other way around. You included, I may add.
okay so you’re a victim, maybe someone will wear a colored ribbon for you, changes nothing about my suggestion.
I never claimed to be a victim. You, however, claimed I was the one arguing with people when it’s actually people arguing with me.
It’s not my fault you said something that was false.
You may have assumed I was talking about this thread, and not making a reference to what you went on about for an hour arguing with everyone abiut yesterday (edit: or 2 days ago I guess). But I didn’t say that, and you were wrong.
Ah, so you were just ignoring the fact that I admitted I was wrong in this thread and were just going to pretend that never happened. Which is very productive and not at all negative or tearing me down.
I realize that admitting you are wrong is the worst possible thing you can do on the internet, but I still admitted I was wrong about there being any permanent damage. And was relieved about it.
I think you’re getting attacked because this post is an accusation, first and foremost. It definitely doesn’t feel like it is positive or productive.
Well that certainly gives people an excuse to tell ridiculous lies and take things I said out of context, doesn’t it?
I mean people are saying shit like I claimed to be an authority. When? Where? I didn’t do that.
And I did say I was wrong, but apparently that makes things even worse somehow.
I get it. I think defending yourself against that is probably a lost cause, though, even if that feels bad not to.
As for being an authority, personally, I see that. I think you made a statement and people, reasonably or not, assumed you know something more than they do. You post a lot, so why wouldn’t you know a lot?
I guess for the same reason that Trump won’t show up but doesn’t know a damn thing.
That is what I was hoping to hear.
And I still say doing a stunt that even makes it look like you’ve done some real damage to Stonehenge right in the middle of a religious festival does not make you look like the good guys. People in another thread said it spread awareness. Who isn’t aware? I’m fully aware of climate change and there’s fuck all I can do about it.
But at least it was not permanent vandalism.
Not only did they decide to do it in the middle of a religious festival, they did it in the middle of a festival that’s part of a religion that worships nature.
- Who isn’t aware?
Like half of the world is in denial.
How would you spread awareness that translates to action?
Denial is not lack of awareness.
I don’t know exactly how I would spread awareness, but I know exactly how I wouldn’t: Making people think I damaged a beloved ancient monument during a religious festival… a religious festival, as someone else pointed out, for people who venerate nature.
How about, as an idea, paint bombing Shell Oil headquarters?
They tried that in 2022. It got fuck all news coverage. The fact you don’t know is exactly why they jumped it up to things that would get them in the news.
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Cool. When are you going to get on that? Or are you expecting others to kill on your behalf?
Like everyone else, I’ll follow you. I’m not a leader, I just sit here and complain. Like everyone else.
So you asked me for a solution, came up with a different solution, and now you expect me to implement the one that you came up with?
Because that is not a rational train of thought. I hope you realize that.
No. I was coming up with my own solution, because yours is like tickling Goliath with a feather. I was not expecting you to do anything.
That’s how a back and forth conversation works. I hope you realize that.
Clearly, a good portion of the population isn’t aware of how serious the situation is, it’s still an election issue.
If the right level of awareness was reached, having any kind of oil money around you would be a political death sentence. Instead, Trump has public bribe meetings with oil execs and his base grows because of it.
Ok, now please explain, since no one else will, why pissing people off is a good way to achieve that.
Have you ever convinced anyone of something by pissing them off?
They said the same about woman and gay rights movements. You can’t make noise, block traffic or even talk about it without pissing people off.
Not to mention most of the anger is manufactured by oil execs and then enabled by people with little to no proper reasoning skills.
That’s a little different from disrespecting a religious festival, isn’t it?
Pivoting into religious rights about the summer solstice celebration. That’s a stretch if I’ve ever seen one. I don’t see why religious monuments should be exempt from harmless protests but I really doubt you would have called stone hedge one yesterday if it wasn’t for it suiting your argument today.
Is that your stance. You are pissed because you think the religious rights of the revelers got trampled on?
First of all, I didn’t say anything about rights. This is about respecting people. People who are on their side.
Secondly, it was a religious celebration, as it is for British Wiccans and other people of similar faiths every year.
Maybe you don’t consider them religions or something, but they are.
I don’t know… oil companies piss off lots of people when they cause oil spills…and yet they’re rolling in profits day in and day out.
Maybe these protesters are trying imitate how oil companies behave since its works so well for them?
Damage the environment and make money if your an oil CEO. Temporarily color stone henge with zero damage and everyone loses their minds. Kinda backwards if you ask me.
It works for them because they have trillions of dollars at their disposal. The activists do not.
But you asked how pissing people off has ever convinced anyone of anything. Oil companies successfully do it all the time. Or any muilti billion dollar industry really.
I’m fully aware that money is the difference, and that’s exactly why we shouldn’t be shitting on the protesters.
We should be asking ourselves why it makes us so angry when protesters cause “damage” but dont have the same reaction to oil companies causing way more damage for profit. Human psychology is interesting.
I’m not seeing oil companies convincing lots of people that they’re benevolent when they do bad things. Especially not after an oil spill. So your claim that that’s what they’re doing doesn’t make much sense to me.
They convince people we need their product despite the damage they cause. They still get investors and convince them their company is profitable. They spend billions of dollars lobbying against alternative energy sources like solar, nuclear, and wind… convincing people they aren’t as viable as oil…when some already are and others could be with more R&D. They convince governments to allow for more oil drilling sites, despite the environmental risks.
They do A LOT convincing all the time.
Truth that people do not want to hear… sad.
Industrial sabotage is whats needed at this point imo.
Well good! It’d be fucking travesty to permanently damage a world heritage
This group’s activism is so tone-deaf that I’m starting to think this is actually the oil companies pretending to be terrible activists.
No matter what the form of protest, you will think it’s tone-deaf because you have been trained to. The oil industry spends a lot of money spamming comments like yours because they know eventually, fools will start parroting it for them.
What’s your reasoning? Do you think it’s ineffective even though it’s made world wide news. Is non destructive play vandalism of old rocks somehow too extreme of a response for the clear destruction of our environment?
It’s hard not to be part of the problem, since over consumption habits are difficulty to get rid of when no else is. I won’t fault you for that. Protests aren’t everyone’s thing, whatever.
At the minimum though, you could just not be a mouthpiece for the ones who are causing said problem. Seriously, like if you’ve ever given a shit about stone hedge before.
No matter what the form of protest, you will think it’s tone-deaf because you have been trained to.
MMmmmmmmmmm No. It’s actually tone-deaf. And assholish. And idiotic. And stupid. And I hate them Sam I Am.
Seriously, they are more damaging to actual protest movements than Big Oil. I’m seconding the astroturfing theory. Their methods are not just ridiculous, they’re offensive on multiple levels, and here’s the part where I disagree with my younger more smartical friends: IT DOES NOT HELP IN ANY WAY. “Oh but it gets the message out there!” And what message would that be? If the message is “stupid idiots deface art or humanity for shiggles” then sure, I’d agree. Otherwise it’s just more headwinds to fight against, a self-own for - well, we don’t really know why other than they think it’s great to be filming themselves.
That’s funny I would have knocked that shit down with a bulldozer
I pissed on all them rocks, y’all gon stop flying private jets now? Don’t make me get some Taco Bell and come back. These people crack me up, like I give two fucks if they destroy historical artifacts and it’s actually going to change my mind about anything.
They sprayed cornstarch on them, both piss and Taco Bell would be far worse. It is just about getting attention to people actually destroying the world, while not destroying anything. It would be cheaper and much easier to buy spray paint than to right cornstarch into a sprayable device… But that would cause damage, which they didn’t want.
Everyone knows, it’s not a secret. And guess what, nothing changed. I’m going to start putting peace symbols on everything I see and hope it brings awareness to how bad war is 🤣🤣🤣
But that would cause damage, which they didn’t want.
They blocked ambulances
They blocked ambulances to what? The stones? Feel like I just went /whoosh
Another incident but same group. Maybe instead of going “whoosh” to yourself you can read up on the issue
… So different people, different area and I am supposed to know what incident you are talking about, got it. Care to point to the incident or should we just throw everyone in jail that supports a group that did something wrong? Seems like that would violate a lot of human rights. But if you want to start with a group, let’s start with MAGA, they have promoted how many unconstitutional proposals and acts that went through before federal judges having to turn them down. Throw in the attacks on people… They’d be screwed. Every one of them is guilty of stealing personal information from hospitals, yikes.
The issue here was cornstarch on rocks. You are talking about things further than clouds in the sky
No same people same organization same country. Yes I do expect you to do the slightest amount of research on a group’s character before you start charging in and providing free apologetics for them.
Seems like that would violate a lot of human rights.
I salute your nobel victory over the Strawmen army.
But if you want to start with a group, let’s start with MAGA
Misdirection.
The issue here was cornstarch on rocks. You are talking about things further than clouds in the sky
They blocked ambulances.
So can you show me where these two people blocked ambulances or is your strawmen still feeding your calling out strawmen?
Yes the misdirection calling out your misdirection was indeed misdirection.
“They blocked ambulances”. Evidence these people blocked ambulances or you are guilty of everything you are defending with. It better be these 2 people as well… Or you are slandering those people. : )
Edit: Oh and for the record, I looked it up. It was about 30x farther than the clouds, and not them.
