Summary
Wisconsin resident Bradley Bartell voted for Trump’s promise to crack down on “criminal illegal immigrants,” but now his Peruvian wife Camila Muñoz has been detained by ICE.
Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa but had applied for legal residency. On their way home from a honeymoon, immigration agents detained her at a Puerto Rico airport.
Despite no criminal record, she remains in a Louisiana detention center. Her case reflects ICE’s broadened enforcement that now includes documented immigrants.
Bartell, once supportive of stricter immigration policies, now questions the impact on families like his own.
You shouldn’t have to have it happen to you before you realize the impact it has on others, but that’s what we’re up against.
Empathy takes a little thought and many people just can’t think.
I once saw it described on Lemmy that Conservatives have sympathy but no empathy.
I saw a Ted talk that talked about inability to entertain the hypothetical. Some people are simply unable to entertain the hypothetical "what if my wife is deported’, they can only recognize it when it becomes "my wife is being deported ".
Link, please?
And they confuse the two and think they’re being empathetic. I’m not even sure they have sympathy anymore.
And there’s this whole war on empathy thing going on for a while.
From the article I don’t get a sense he is at all questioning his vote. He feels his case is special and the government messed up. For him. She’s vetted, so it’s ok. The others deserve what they are getting.
Honestly I think this is part of why conservatives like homeschooling so much; being in a close classroom environment teaches most people empathy as they quickly realize they are not the center of the teacher or anyone else’s universe.
Conservatives want to deprive us the lesson of empathy.
Hold the fuck up, she was already OVERSTAYING her Visa and these idiots thought it was a good idea to TRAVEL? Nah they both got what they fucking deserved. It doesn’t matter that you’re awaiting your residency application, you have already passed your exit date, why the fuck would you be traveling for your honeymoon
Edit: I’m literally standing in the airport awaiting my fiance’s return from Mexico right now, this shit makes all the people who actually read their paperwork and follow the rules, look bad when they get lumped in with these idiots.
Nobody deserves to be punished for arbitrary political boundaries.
That being said, it’s satisfying to see the people supporting those boundaries get punished by them.
I agree, but she and anyone else in her position have SIGNED paperwork in agreement with the terms that by X date you will leave the country. What the fuck else are we supposed to do if we just shrug and say oh well it’s just a date. These two were blatantly attempting to trounce the laws and just do whatever they wanted.
Being in an international relationship, I’m sure you understand how tricky and stressful some of these paperwork matters can be. Just deciding what type of visa to apply for when you are in a relationship can be taxing.
You are right that for the majority of people, the bureaucracy works as long as you file things correctly. They should have done it right from the start. But there are a lot of personal situations that can complicate it.
As an aside, it is mind boggling to me the number of immigrants who wholeheartedly support Trump, even with family ties that are endangered by his actions.
Warning, essay.
Many many reasons for the immigrants who support him all of them bad reasons obviously.
-White-Passing Hispanics, especially CDMX, Monterey within Mexico and outside, Argentina, Colombia, Brazil (obv. not the darker skinned Brazilians) etc. that can be seen by whites as “the good ones”, and by the Hispanics themselves. These people, the ones who make a point to embrace the “whiteness” of their bloodline, allowing them to identify more with their European colonizers rather than the darker skinned natives, or even Mestizos (mixed race, though at this point most people are decedents of decedents of decedents of the original Mestizos). Their tie to that European “whiteness” somehow makes them better than those darker than themselves.
-Machismo culture being deeply ingrained in many families causing them to “admire” a “strong” man. Not a single macho man is actually macho (except for Macho Man) under Machismo, it is a warped idea of what constitutes macho that idolizes the men and puts them up front as the default lead of any situation especially family just because they are male.
-There is unfortunately, a STRONG sense of “I got mine” or pulling the ladder up behind you among many many immigrants, Hispanic or otherwise. This goes along with the sense of “well we did it so it can’t be that hard”, they fail to realize that yes, it may have been easy for you but for others it is not.
-Last I can think of, the kids and grand-kids of immigrants. Many did not get taught about the struggles of their ancestors, or were taught and don’t care, sometimes you just get a bad egg kids who doesn’t give a shit about his heritage. Sometimes this comes from their feeling like an “other” when living in an area with a Hispanic minority. This can cause them to seek out belonging and feel resentment to their ancestors and heritage for bringing them there, for making them into a minority and grow some unhealthy selfhate, and then falling in with like minds who also hate the “others” making them into “one of the good ones.” (ive types this term too many times today)
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I honestly believe these idiots that voted for Trump somehow thought that they would be immune to his policies. He doesn’t give a fuck about you.
For sure. It’s the classic:
I know it’s been getting a lot of mileage on Lemmy lately, but:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
- Wilholt’s Law
He figured he was in the first group, and since conservatives tend to think women are property, he figured her being with him put her in that group too. Whoops.
American exceptionalism
They thought by bending the knee to Trump, they would be exempt from his bullshit. You’re 100% right here. He doesn’t give a fuck about Americans, their families or the down troddened.
Trump only cares about Trump.
And anyone with power or money that will kiss his butt.
Good. I hope he’s fucking devastated. I hope his entire world is fucking crumbling. Everyone with three working braincells or more knew exactly what would happen if we let the christonationalist fascists have total control of the government, and pieces of subhuman trash like him willingly made it happen.
I hate that as americans were so stupid we have to learn like this because we can’t hear people out before it gets to this point.
Like I believe one of your founding fathers Benjamin Franklin said: “Experience holds a dear school, but fools learn from no other”
He would have been pretty nonplussed by our current batch of fools who can’t even learn from experience.
Well that’s what decades of destroying education will do
I had a Scottish chick in Edinburgh tell me that I was the only American she enjoyed talking to. I didn’t realize just how poorly we were viewed overseas until I went myself.
I didn’t realize just how poorly we were viewed overseas
We are poorly viewed by intelligent beings here too.
The amazing thing about this is that Americans who travel are on average a lot more open-minded and intelligent than those who don’t. And we still make a terrible impression.
Guess you can’t take the murica out of an american
Haha, you think they learn.
they just refuse to listen.
Well, that was stupid wasn’t it
Me when I read stories like this
FAFO vote for a clown don’t complain it’s turning into a crazy circus
I’d feel sorry for the guy but that would be both insincere and incorrect. After all, he got exactly what he voted for.
EDIT: Sorry this wasn’t meant to be a novel. If I had more time it would have been shorter.
I understand not feeling bad for THE GUY. But you should absolutely feel bad for his wife. Moral values should not be conditional. I could have an undocumented immigrant cus me out and say “TRUMP IS AWESOME” and I’d still not want that guy to be deported for no reason. I know its a slightly satisfying “you got what was coming to you”. But being leftist in any sense means staying true to your convictions and not falling for this type of reactionary response no matter how satisfying it is.
I’ve used this as an example before.
I want even KKK members to get free healthcare in the US. Because as much as I hate KKK members my leftist principles tell me that right wing reactionary ideas thrive in poor material conditions. Conditions on these fundamental leftist principles will not stand. The “got what was coming to them” response is absolutely a reactionary idea. These are conditions of revenge and not conditions of justice. They have no place in left wing principles.
You can absolutely enjoy the slight sense of irony and satisfaction from this snippet. But, at the end of the day, you’re not saying anything different then “let’s deport these immigrants because X” just like the right is. Its the same as saying “these brown people deserve to be treated badly because they didn’t vote for Harris”. It’s insane reactionary ideas masking itself as leftism.
You have every right (see what I did there?) to feel that way, but feeling some degree of comfort and karma that bad people also get bad things happen to them instead of bad things just being limited to the victims of capitalism, is just a simple sensorial reaction to the reality of the world and not in any way some sort of “anti-left” idea. In fact, wishing the best wishes to the boot that’s stomping on you is probably the worst things to do, since it teaches conformity in the structure of the class system. To fight the imbalance of power you have to want to fight, and historically speaking spite is among the best motivators there ever is.
Also lol, good work trying to equate me with those right-wing KKK nutjobs! Yeah! Because there is literally no difference between wishful thinking, and actually doing material damage to someone because of your Trump dogma! Right?
Geez, what tiktok does to media literacy these days…
But you do you. I’ll continue to cry a crocodile tear for the guy.
(Yes, the wife deserves a real tear, but that does not mean I can’t cry a fake one for free)
If you think the “boot” is a Trump voter then you missed the point entirely. I don’t know what else to say. And simplifying them into “bad people” like the world is a comic book movie is anti left and anti materialist thought.
I also didn’t equate you with the KKK. I used what you would call an analogy to explain my perspective. An analogy in which I wasn’t even comparing you with the KKK. In that analogy you would have been someone that laughed as a KKK member was denied healthcare.
If you couldn’t even get that clear point of my comment then you should probably go back and read it with a fraction of charity. Because you kind of just responded with nonsense and gave no thought into the point I was actually making. One that wasn’t even very critical of you. I admitted myself that that “karma” is satisfying. But there is a difference between our thoughts and our material actions. That where dialects is usedul in understanding what is reactionary thought is and where it leads to.
I hate how many people are this fucking stupid.
hateful*
It’s almost as if being a racist douchebag is bad for everyone…
Aren’t these people guys with guns who fantasize about fighting tyranny? Well this is your fucking chance to shine, sweetheart!
Why would you do that to your own wife?
Another fucking idiot whose ignorance helped inflict Trump on us.
These clowns always pull up the ladder after they “get theirs.” Marry an immigrant and think you’re safe? Vote to get rid of the ones you don’t like via a Dictator. Dictators turn on their supporters sooner or later, for them it was sooner. Wait until he comes for the guns. He’s the only president that has said guns should be taken away.
E: Getting lots of gateway timeouts for .world, anyone else? I’m in the US.
