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    Oh fuck off, Israel and their global backers are continuing their century-long campaign to take Palestine and remove/kill Palestinians. Hamas is just a recent development which happens to neatly justify this period of Israeli colonial violence.

    After Hamas runs its course (however that ends up happening), then do you think Israel will back off? Of course not and the idea is preposterous.

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      Israel was founded in 1948. How was Israel backing a campaign to kill Palestinians for twenty four years prior to its existence? Also, if Israel’s goal is to kill all Palestinians, why are daily death tolls going down and why are there any buildings still standing in Gaza and the West Bank?

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        Others have mentioned the history info you lack here so I won’t tackle that. I have another question:

        Do you recall any other significant events at 1948 though?

      • You don’t know what you’re talking about or why Hamas exists. Ehud Barak is more capable of empathizing than you, when he was asked what would you do if he were a Palestinian he said he’d fight.

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            I am actually Palestinian. I hope for Israel to end its genocide.

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              Same for Hamas. Only one side in this conflict can end this conflict and its not Israel, unfortunately.

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                High or dumb?

                Hamas hasn’t effectively hit Israel since the festival, Israel has killed like 6 people for every one.

                How exactly do you see Hamas ending anything?

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            I know guys like you live for the comments people make when they’re upset by how much of a giant price of shit you’re being, but I’ll go for the bait.

            You’re genuinely an empathyless, morally bankrupt pycho. I hope you have no loved ones.

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    Hope this is the beginning of Israel’s transformation into an isolated and boycotted rogue state.

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    The same world court created after the holocaust — an institution conceived of and supported by the Nuremberg prosecutor, also a Jew.

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    The USA could. By by ending the free weapons and money deliveries…

    I mean, we probably won’t, for reasons I don’t understand.

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      It’s not that complicated. It’s because Iran has the goal of destroying Israel and killing everyone Jew in the middle east, and because Israel obviously isn’t going to just surrender Tehran. The resultant war would kill tens of millions of people, compared to the 26,000 that have died in this war. So no we won’t probably won’t, we definitely won’t.

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        There sure is a lot of talk about how supposedly everyone in the Middle East wants to kill every Jew on the planet, but only Israel is carrying out genocide there. Also, it was the Germans who killed six million Jews and then Europe pushed Jews to Palestine and somehow it’s all the fault of people in the Middle East?

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        Iran can’t take Israel, Israel has nukes.

        The question is, can Israel broker peace? With all these American weapons and cash, they have no interest in brokering peace, but without that support, maybe their incentives will change.

        We could pull that support tomorrow, they’ll be fine. I have 0 concerns.

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          If US support for Israel doesn’t concern Iran, why would Israel’s incentive change without it?

          The US and our allies try to keep Iran contained not just for Israel but for the world. Look, the Jews are in Israel. Iran will never accept it, not in our lifetimes. They will weirdly, very proudly die trying if they get the chance. Such a war will kill tens of millions of people, displace tens of millions more, and lead to a cascade of failed states.

          I believe it’s a question of when Iran attacks Israel not if. I mean, they already have. The tunnels in Gaza were built with Iranian money. The 3,000 thermobaric rockets Hamas launched at Israel on October 7 came from Iran.

          America’s strong military alliance with Israel is arguably the most significant part of western strategy in the middle east, the thing that keeps Iran from going frog.

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            If US support for Israel doesn’t concern Iran, why would Israel’s incentive change without it?

            Of course it concerns Iran. Why would you assume otherwise? And Israel’s incentives would change because without the support they can’t really hold up against Iran militarily, so diplomacy becomes a better option.

            They will weirdly, very proudly die trying if they get the chance. Such a war will kill tens of millions of people, displace tens of millions more, and lead to a cascade of failed states.

            Meh, scare mongering. Also, your numbers are probably way off, Israel only has a population of 9 mil, I can’t really see tens of millions of deaths and also tens of millions displaced. The region is just not that big.

            America’s strong military alliance with Israel is arguably the most significant part of western strategy in the middle east, the thing that keeps Iran from going frog.

            America’s military alliance is a sneaky, immoral way to keep a small hot war going for a century so we always have a testing ground for new weapons. That’s why America continues to support Israel. I want no part in it and it haunts me that so many of my tax dollars go into funding this cruelty, making me responsible.

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                That’s fair, but it would also show their true intentions and turn the world against them. As seen with Russia, the world doesn’t like it when you commit atrocities, and they’ll band together to make it more difficult for you. As a result, I don’t see them actually using nukes on Iran. Nukes have always been a better deterrent than a weapon.

                I expect that they would keep Iran at bay by doubling down on their rhetoric to get the most out of their nuclear deterrent (just like Russia has). But being the smaller nation (by a lot) and also being generally outnumbered in the region by Islam, I don’t see them invading Iran, the odds would be impossibly against them.

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        The world court can do two things. First, arbitrate between two consenting states who agree to abide by the decision. Second, issue advisory rulings which have absolutely no functional authority. America doesn’t have to step in. Nation states around the world wouldn’t have signed onto a world court that could actually compel them to obey, we all like our sovereignty.

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        I think the US is about done with Netanyahu. The media is already starting to talk about the fractures between him and Biden.

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            Biden isn’t going to do a damn thing to fundamentally alter our Israel policy. He’s been hawkish on Palestine for decades, and despite how much the youth vote disapproves of the war, there’s also a substantial part of the base as well as independents who strongly support Israel.

            There have been several opinion polls recently showing that a majority of Americans support Israel over Palestine, even as Israel has killed 20x as many people as Hamas.

            Biden is in zugzwang. Keep supporting Israel’s slaughter, and the youth vote will stay home. Oppose it, and he’ll be labeled a Hamas sympathizer or an anti-Semite. Continue to do nothing, and he looks weak and ineffective. Every move is the wrong move.