• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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      Came in here to say that. Maybe Birdo doesn’t count since Mario II wasn’t a “real” Mario game?

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        Birdo is a permanent character in the main roster of characters and Mario 2 is a real Mario game. I will not tolerate all this Bowser propaganda in here.

      • Even notwithstanding all of the below (several enemies and other aspects of Mario 2 showed up in later Mario games, so we can only suppose its as “real” as any), Yoshi is also a strong contender for being trans. He is consistently referred to as male but cranks out eggs at an assembly-line pace and thus might be biologically female.

        But then, so does Birdo. So who the hell knows how dinosaur-things work in Mario’s world.

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          Hence the quotes. It wasn’t one in Japan. It was called Doki Doki Panic in Japan and the sprites were altered to Mario characters, but only the playable characters, when it was released in the U.S. later as Super Mario Bros. 2.

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            Oh I know. It actually started as a Mario game though. Then the festival was coming up so they made it Doki Doki Panic. Then Nintendo of America balked at how Mario Bros 2 was basically an intensely difficult expansion pack, and the rest is history.

            Regardless of all of that tho, Mario 2 USA was always cannon for the series after it was released.

            Edit. I’m not refuting you, just adding more contenxt.

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              Isn’t it the opposite? It was reskinned to be a Mario game because Mario 2 in Japan is what we now know as the lost levels. I don’t think this was originally anything but doki doki. Hence the completely different mechanics.

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                No it started in R&D as a new Mario game. They wanted to explore vertical scrolling. Similar to how Breath of the Wild was prototyped as a Zelda 1 game. They needed something for the festival so they used it for that instead of Mario.

                That’s why they chose to use it for Mario 2 USA. It was at it’s core a new Mario game anyways.

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                  Similar to how Breath of the Wild was prototyped as a Zelda 1 game.

                  What’s a “Zelda 1” game and how is it/BotW similar to the vertical scrolling thing?

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                    The legend of Zelda (Zelda 1) on the Nintendo entertainment system was the first game in the Zelda franchise.

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                You’re correct. I’ve never heard this anywhere else and I literally took video game history classes at a college that is partnered with Nintendo of America.

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            “Yume Koji: Doki Doki Panic” was created from a prototype vertical platformer game Nintendo was creating, but licensed it to Fuji Television instead.

            So no, Your story is backwards - it was always a Mario game. The Yume Kojo characters ARE the reskin.