• ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I’m sorry that guy was at a shooting but a visor with Trump 20204 might be the most loser-coded thing I’ve ever seen. If you hold that visor up to your ear like a seashell, you can hear someone complaining about a family court judge ruling against him after he represented himself.

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    9 months ago

    Maybe I’m crazy here but if I saw a dude with a rifle on a roof at a political rally I would 100% assume it was secret service. I don’t see much here that convinces me otherwise

    Edit: there is some evidence that he may have been on a roof. It’s hard to get accurate information this soon after an incident so we’ll see in the coming days

    Edit: yeah, pretty much confirmed it was the gunman, assuming this guy is talking about the right roof (secret service were on a different roof). I still stand by my original comment, I wouldn’t have thought anything of it if I saw it

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      If they were in legit gear or a suit, I wouldn’t think it was odd. Any other guy with a rifle would be a red fucking flag because plainclothes USSS have concealed guns and don’t play on roofs.

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        No. USSS Snipers are all over the place. Some visible most are not. In one of the videos you can clearly see a USSS sniper above stage right. That’s the guy who took out the shooter.

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        9 months ago

        I kind of doubt someone could have told what outfit the gunmen was wearing in that scenario.

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      And if you saw him getting into position mid speech that wouldn’t strike you as odd? The shooter was seen low crawling into position. Secret Service shooters would be in place from the start not moving mid speech.

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      9 months ago

      That kind of uncertainty about if the shooter was part of the security detail or not may have been the source of hesitation that let him get shots off before immediately getting shot himself. The speed of the return fire makes it seem like someone was already pointing a gun at him and awaiting confirmation he wasn’t supposed to be there.

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        That’s an interesting point. I’m sure they know where the others are but I’m sure there’s always a doubt

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      9 months ago

      Not technically.

      You do understand that Trump being assassinated would end far worse than him getting elected, right? Trump turned his head and America dodged a bullet.

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          Depends on who his successor would be. Whoever that would be would have the momentum of a martyr behind them.

          As many folks pointed out, there’s no shortage of people with Trump like policies but are even more dangerous by being more competent.

          No, the only death that might have avoided the would have been zero assassination attempts and some death that couldn’t have possibly been an assassination even in the wildest of conspiracy theories.

          That shooter may have secured a MAGA victory the instant he pulled the trigger, whether he would have killed Trump or not.

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            Maybe, but the problem for Republicans is their platform simply isn’t popular, it’s why they have to go to these extremes.

            His base of ~25% of the electorate is maybe more motivated to turn up at the polls now and is more likely to be violent (especially if Trump loses), but no one is going to say “Oh, I was against fascism, but now that the fascist died I’m pro-fascism.” anyone who thinks that way was already supporting Donald Trump anyway. The GOP is maxed on support, which is why they are constantly trying to purge voter registration rolls anywhere they can.

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    Video of him on the roof just before everything went down (video blurs out the shooter during/after death):

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1812339055603978440

    You can hear people yelling, “He’s got a gun!” seconds before the shooting happens.

    Another angle of people yelling “He’s got a gun” (shaky cameraman, good for audio only): https://x.com/BNONews/status/1812327502028669328

    Another witness that was also trying to point out the shooter to the authorities: https://x.com/BNONews/status/1812311392675914015

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    This guy has no idea what the fuck he’s talking about. Any armed security worth their salt would have snipers on roofs at large gatherings. I see them at sporting events, why not at a rally?

    The man with a rifle he saw was almost certainly working with Trump’s security detail, and if not, he would have been spotted not long after this guy saw him, and taken out before he could have taken a shot.

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        9 months ago

        I admit I was wrong.

        And I think the secret service detail assigned to Trump might be terrible at their job.

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          It may simply be that former presidents don’t get the same security resources as an actual president.

          Plus it’s been reported that he treats his security staff like trash, so it might be difficult to find people willing to put themselves in harms way for him.

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            I think you’re probably right on both counts. I know I certainly wouldn’t put my life on the line for a convicted felon, alleged rapist, known adulterer, racist, liar, and threat to democracy if he was also being a dick to me personally