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A 60-year-old? Running alongside a 59-year-old?? What is this, a fuckin’ crèche? Their mother’s milk is still wet on their faces! How can they compete against a worldly wisdom-haemorrhaging wise man in his 80s like Trump when they’re barely out of their baby diapers, while Trump is already well into his adult diapers phase?
Jesus, go back to your pogo sticks and bubblegum and stickerbooks and let a grown-up have a shot. Sheesh.
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An yes the old “the village elders must be right! Look how old they are” angle.
I know it’s not about identity politics, but lady prez and spaceman veep? Yes please!
Nah, we shouldn’t be rewarding anyone who worked with Joe Manchin to attack the environment - https://web.archive.org/web/20240710182356/https://www.eenews.net/articles/manchin-kelly-urge-biden-to-open-new-gulf-oil-leasing/
Out of all the likely names I’ve seen, NC governor Roy Cooper seems like the strongest
Yeah that’s not the attack on the environment you say it is. He was looking for a mid term patch on supply chain greedflation and the crimp from banning Russian oil. Long term he’s all in on wind and solar. He’s been very open about this. Painting him as someone like Manchin who’s heavily financially invested in fossil fuels is just disingenuous.
MARK KELLY SLAMS JD VANCE FOR SAYING THE QUIET PART LOUD
Without knowing more specific + or - details about the possible choices, I’d pick Shapiro over Kelly when you add up all the variables:
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As a governor Shapiro has executive experience, which Kelly doesn’t. Cooper is also a governor but is already 67.
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Pennsylvania is an absolute must-win state. Arizona is also very important but is not a must-win. Gotta get PA.
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Shapiro is only 51 so would still be plenty young enough in 8 years to run for POTUS.
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With Shapiro you’re not taking a current Senator off the field like with Kelly. Yes the Dem gov will appoint another Dem but will that person (or other Dem) be able to win again in 2 years vs. keeping Kelly in place who is highly likely to be re-elected. We really need to build up a bigger majority in the Senate over the next couple of cycles to be able to get important things done.
Well as of right now the Democrats have a solid lock on state wide elections. If they’re going to do it, now is the time. A 2 year incumbent that doesn’t leave the party is highly likely to get reelected.
Shapiro’s also got some baggage, his Israel position for example. Kelly however will be vulnerable to a swift boat attack. However as VP that will have less impact than as a candidate. Whereas the Israel issue will cause some of the left to stay home.
It’s all really complicated, I’m sure they’re putting a lot of thought into it.
Yeah TBH I haven’t read about all the details of the candidates’ vulnerabilities so I was just going by their stats and locations. I’m sure we’ll hear all about whatever downsides whoever gets picked has. I really don’t see what could be gained by picking Cooper from NC though. Everyone also assumes it can’t be Whitmer because you can’t have two women, which is pretty irritating. It would be nice if having a two-woman ticket would be thought of as normal or even possible but I’m too old to ever see that happen in my lifetime.
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So in the scenario that he is the VP and they win, a democrat would be appointed to the senate, but instead of the seat being up in 2028 in a presidental general election year the seat would be up in an off election year with a democratic president (2026). I’m not sure this is wise in terms of keeping the senate.
Really need to win Arizona.
Why not AOC? Really need some young blood and someone who is progressive. She also meets constitutional age requirements now.
I’d love AoC for pres, and consolation prize of VP. (Don’t tell the corpo dems this but the VP job is usually a political dead end…)
The reality is you need to pick VPs defensively. Some one who makes a good presidential candidate generally doesn’t make a good VP candidate.
As much as I like AoC… I don’t mind Kelly.
It used to be the setup job, you did VP before president.
I like AOC. But two women of color, one who is super progressive, sounds like a massive risk.
They’re going to pick someone who is popular in a purple state, and is going to help calm people who want to see someone more mainstream. I’d love a progressive, but it’s going to be a straight white male from a purple state. I’ll be super surprised if it’s anything else. And I get it: the #1 objective here is to win, and every decision has to be predicated on that.
And besides, AOC is really young and will have lots of opportunities.
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He’s my top choice for VP as well. :)
I want to watch the “support the troops” folks shit on a vet and an astronaut. That wouldn’t play well with the traditionally red voting military.
The dude is a national goddamn hero. I get the reasons not to choose him, but I like him for it.
I donated to Harris and Kelly. Hoping you get to see that. The awful feeling when some of the older vets I know stood up for Trump after he tried to make fun of McCain for being a prisoner of war. Ick
Is there a quick tldr of what Kelly wants to do regarding Ukraine?
TL;Dr: Something.
Seriously though, this was his official statement back in December: https://www.kelly.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/kelly-statement-after-senators-meeting-with-ukrainian-president-zelenskyy/
Thanks, it says
“… Abandoning Ukraine at this moment without the ammunition and weapons they need would be a massive gift to Putin and a strategic error for our own national security. Time is running out, and I will continue working with my colleagues in the Senate to find the necessary agreement to move this critical aid package forward.”
Can I presume that Vance said basically the opposite?
I gotta be honest with you, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another.
-JD “Couch Cushion” Vance
Well it’s a question of how deeply the US should be involved, rather than Russia vs Ukraine per se.
Vance’s stance is that he doesn’t care. I can extrapolate that means he is against helping, so no involvement. Because even if he didn’t care but wanted to give Russia a black eye, he’d pretend to care.
Yeah that sounds about right. Thanks.
Fuck yeah. I hope it’s him and Kamala. Harris Kelly 2024.
Guy is 60. I’m becoming a fan of Beshear.
*Sigh. I’m saying pick the person who can run and win in 8 years.
Kamala is 59.
This guy:
Is a decorated vet
Is an astronaut
Is in a state that is a must win and makes it easier to win.
He checks a ton of boxes.
He also grows a bad ass mustache.
He directly opposes Medicare for all. Opposes the green new deal. Supported expanding oil drilling.
I’m just sayin’ if you’re gonna list positives it’s only fair to list accurate negatives too.
I will argue time and time again, opposing Medicare for all is NOT a moderate position, it’s a right leaning position.
It wasn’t expanded as most people understand it. It was supporting a round of permit auctions in the already drilling Gulf of Mexico.
Sixty isn’t old. He’s old enough to have experience.
I’m thinking get the person who can run and win in 8 years.
We’re so lucky! This could be the next dynamic due that the country really needs! 8,500,000,000 x Trumps < dog poop < rock < chimp < dolphin < really smart 3rd grader < grad student < Biden + Kamela < Kamela + Mark. I assume the world population is 8.5 billion because I would never vote Trump so he himself would have to vote himself in as the last person around.
Anyway, plus Mark is a minority! He might be the first Albino dolphin American astronaut to ever become president! LOL. All I. Good fun! Good luck you two! I’m counting on you!
