But the book only has 71 pages
Hell yeah how good is determinism
That is yet to be determined.
Unless we have a way to find out what that predetermined future is, it’s irrelevant and you should proceed as if it isn’t a thing.
So you’re saying turn to page 72.
If you like. You can also be a rebel and turn to a different page or stop reading the book altogether.
But all the pages are 72. And your whole experience is also being described in real time on another page 72 elsewhere. 72s all the way down friend.
But then I’ll never know how it ends!
Then you can follow the path created by the author! This kind of reminds me of The Stanley Parable.
“When Stanley came to a set of two open doors, he entered the door on his left.”
I didn’t know Fallout 4 had a graphic novel!
Robert Sapolsky’s books are challenging but worthwhile reads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UebSfjmQNvs - Kurzgesagt - Lemmings will reee optimistic greenwashing.
Can Free Will be Saved in a Deterministic Universe? PBS Space Time - And it’s counter argument page https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2020/11/15/free-will-video/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/free-will-is-only-an-illusion-if-you-are-too/ - I’m glad to the coincidence regarding see my semantics point regarding ‘Free will’ being a somewhat outdated term being a key point in this article.
If it is all predetermined, why is it nobody can predict events? And before any “psychics” chime in, even crapshooter rolls a 7 sometimes
In order to simulate the future of the universe, one would need a computer that could store every bit of data required to express the state of the universe, plus anything required to handle any temporary calculations and then extra if you want to store anything about that simulation.
There is only one such device known to exist: the universe itself. And it doesn’t store any simulation history, though you can figure out some things by examining the current state.
We could simulate a smaller portion of the universe, but you still need to store every bit of information about the current state and things would diverge anyways because you won’t be perfectly simulating the edges and those differences would cascade throughout the whole thing eventually.
That state for Earth would still take an earth amount of matter to store. But ok, let’s say we repurpose Jupiter to be a perfect Earth simulator at least until the edge differences mess it all up, plus it has a ton of extra matter to store useful information about the simulation. First thing you’ll need to do once it’s ready is initialize it with the current state of Earth.
But, there’s a problem: how do you measure every single thing about something without the earlier measurements changing the later ones? You can’t measure something without interacting with it in some way. Even if you just look at it, it changes (though it’s not your eyes that change it, it’s the light that bounced off of it to get to your eyes). That change is miniscule for direct affects on us, but it’s very relevant at a perfect simulation level of detail.
The universe might be deterministic (I don’t think there’s any real way to determine this for sure either way, like what would be different if it was or wasn’t?), but it’s not prederministic, at least not from within.
Maybe there’s some kind of mechanism to see a reflection from the future or something like that, but even then, what would happen if someone saw themselves walk through the left door in the future but when the moment came walked through the right door instead?
Even a mirror can only reflect so much of what faces it being as it is a manmade tool and is as such inherently limited. Ourbrains are even hamstrung by the chemicals that flow within it.
Well a crap shooter is most likely to roll a seven, so I dunno about your analogy.
Yeah finite sets deliver finite results. everything Man can devise is finite in nature. The universe is not finite though
One cauld rightfully argue “determination” and “predetermination” are wildly different concepts. The comic is wrong on this. But let’s go page 72 anyway
Quiet. Accept your servitude to propaganda and conditioning.
You could have stopped at (universal) servitude. But yeah, they say it all becomes clear p.72!
I’m taking my towel to page 42. You can’t fool me!
When I was like 7 my mom bought me a choose your own adventure book. I tried to read it cover to cover and was very confused.
Time to mention Sapolsky with relevant context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNMLlX7tyQk
Can you agree but also conclude that this knowledge has no real impact on our lives, and therefore our agency is preserved?
