I never wished for the death of another human being
Neat. I’ll bet Brian didn’t either.
The policies under his leadership caused the deaths of many human beings, and prolonged the suffering of many more. Not because he hated them or wished them death, he’d have to care enough to know their names first, but because denying their valid claims on buried technicalities as a matter of policy made him and his profiteer shareholders moar profit.
Capitalists don’t kill out of hate, their victims are just nameless speed bumps to glorious profit. They kill with a shrug, in volume.
But those who think that they are virtuous have no problem celebrating this guy being killed calling it karma. And this comment will be totally downvoted because how dare someone point out their hypocrisy.
“Virtue” is a relative thing. What is virtuous to one person might not be virtuous to another. You, for example, seem to believe that celebrating the death of someone is unvirtuous, even if that person was a monster. This is pure speculation on my part, but I’m also guessing that you hold the belief that nobody deserves to die.
These beliefs are not universal. While you would be a hypocrite for violating your own strongly held beliefs, it would not be accurate to apply that label to someone who doesn’t hold those beliefs. For example, I believe that death is the worst punishment you can give to a person. I also believe that some people absolutely deserve it. I would not find it virtuous to falsely pretend otherwise. I have no moral qualms with celebrating the death of someone who I think deserves it. Similarly, I have no qualms about celebrating good things that happen to a person who I think deserves them. In both cases, I consider those things to be the universe working out as it should.
Not the OP, but I appreciate your ethical explanation.
I agree partially with you. I don’t have a moral issue with the killing of individuals who have engaged in particularly heinous acts: murder, rape, torture, extreme child and spousal abuse, white collar negligence/willfully allowing death to occur through inaction for pay, etc.
I just don’t trust the US or the states to ethically carry out executions, especially given their track record of executing innocent or low IQ individuals. So I’m anti death penalty. Life is cheaper than execution anyhow.
That being said, I don’t have a problem with certain kinds of vigilante justice or vengeance either. Especially vengeance for a loved one. FWIW, I’m not seeking vengeance, but I absolutely get it. Jury nullficaton should always be a right.
Anyhow, the news isn’t in, but I’m rooting for an ethical vengeance situation. He killed a fucking vampire, I hope he’s a hero with respectable views. Even more, I hope they never catch him. Either way the fucker is dead, and good riddance. I hope the other CEOs squirm, they need to either get right or go to prison.
Well, unfortunately the guy used an e-bike with GPS tracking on it as his getaway vehicle, so I very much doubt he’s going to get away with it. But yes - I agree with you on the death penalty. Shit gets complicated when the state gets involved.
I’m ready to go out and celebrate with some drinks over this fucking asshole getting what he deserved. How many millions have him and his ilk killed by denying them healthcare?
Celebrating someone death does not mean you cant be virtuous. Even killing someone can be considered virtuous in many different cases. Killing out of mercy, to protect others, or to change things for the better can be considered virtuous in many way. Revenge, jealousy and hatred are bad, but a murder comitted over revenge doesnt mean it cannot be celebrated as an opportunity for change or awareness…
Victim murder may be wrong even if he was a shitstain for the society, but from his murder maybe good things may happen, maybe its successor may think twice on deciding on the balance between profit and client wellness…
The small number of comments like yours with extreme downvote counts against the absolute deluge of celebratory posts has me feeling pretty fucked about the entire Lemmy community. I understand people’s poor opinions of the health insurance industry, but this mass endorsement of murdering their executives is not a good turn for this community.
It doesn’t even serve our causes. It doesn’t get us any closer to universal healthcare, or price caps on lifesaving care, or healthcare ethics reforms, or any of the other things that actually need to happen.
With a second Trump term starting next month, if the accelerationist lunatics begging for more dead CEOs gets their way, you’re going to see some of the most horrific state violence imaginable as our new fascist kakistocracy zeros in on their “enemy within” boogyman.
On the note of actually giving a shit about healthcare outcomes, nobody on Lemmy seems to be organizing against the status quo. There are no communities here about unfair health insurance decisions, and medical bankruptcy. Generally speaking, Lemmy has a progressive view on healthcare, but very little interest in organizing about it materially.
But when a CEO gets murdered, the Tankies come out en masse to tell us that shooting and killing a father of 2 is actually heroism or something.
It’s just pure violent hatred, and while I understand where people’s anger comes from, I don’t think I’m going to stick around this place much longer if this kind of rhetoric is going to be treated as normal. If this is how the general userbase of Lemmy actually thinks, I’ll show myself the door and find people who aren’t pieces of shit.
Just wanted you to know, despite the downvotes you’re getting, you are completely fucking right and everyone else who has decided that this is the time to cause a scene can hopefully get banned.
boo hoo, the guy that set policies that killed their own customers when they became inconvenient to their bottom line, solely to increase their private profit, had 2 kids. Those kids will still go to fancy private schools and be materially fine, arguably with one less antisocial influence.
How many parents of kids without trust funds did he kill with United Healthcare’s policies designed to deny necessary care solely to boost private profits?
We don’t even get to vote on this being allowed, the last President that promised to fix this system intituted a plan that instead of removing the profit motive from Healthcare doubled down and further enshrined insurer middlemen predators like United Healthcare.
I know people like you. People that believe if we just play by the rules, protest in designated protest zones pathetically outside the eyeline and profit operations of those being protested, vote for either of our bought and paid for parties that defend this economy from the society it perversely controls, then a just world will just emerge. It won’t. Not unless we fight for it. And I’m not using fight as a metaphor, because those that seek power over the masses never surrender their power by anything but force or the real threat thereof.
But maybe we should just exercise more temperance as you say, let them completely destroy Earth’s climate for humans first while we ask them really nicely not to. Wow.
Oh, also, bye. Maybe reddit would be a good fit for you.
Funny how even though I have had many fights with health insurance companies I never wished for the death of another human being
Not having sympathy for the death of another/Saying karma but them in the ass != Wishing for another’s dearh
You’ve never wished for the death of serial killers? Rapists? Pedophiles? Dictators? Animal abusers? The odd mime?
Somehow, I don’t believe you. But, on the off chance that you’re telling the truth… this is for you:
can i get an award too please
Sure thing, buddy. Here you go:
thank you
I love this for you!
Neat. I’ll bet Brian didn’t either.
The policies under his leadership caused the deaths of many human beings, and prolonged the suffering of many more. Not because he hated them or wished them death, he’d have to care enough to know their names first, but because denying their valid claims on buried technicalities as a matter of policy made him and his profiteer shareholders moar profit.
Capitalists don’t kill out of hate, their victims are just nameless speed bumps to glorious profit. They kill with a shrug, in volume.
I think callus indifference is apropos
“Virtue” is a relative thing. What is virtuous to one person might not be virtuous to another. You, for example, seem to believe that celebrating the death of someone is unvirtuous, even if that person was a monster. This is pure speculation on my part, but I’m also guessing that you hold the belief that nobody deserves to die.
These beliefs are not universal. While you would be a hypocrite for violating your own strongly held beliefs, it would not be accurate to apply that label to someone who doesn’t hold those beliefs. For example, I believe that death is the worst punishment you can give to a person. I also believe that some people absolutely deserve it. I would not find it virtuous to falsely pretend otherwise. I have no moral qualms with celebrating the death of someone who I think deserves it. Similarly, I have no qualms about celebrating good things that happen to a person who I think deserves them. In both cases, I consider those things to be the universe working out as it should.
Not the OP, but I appreciate your ethical explanation.
I agree partially with you. I don’t have a moral issue with the killing of individuals who have engaged in particularly heinous acts: murder, rape, torture, extreme child and spousal abuse, white collar negligence/willfully allowing death to occur through inaction for pay, etc.
I just don’t trust the US or the states to ethically carry out executions, especially given their track record of executing innocent or low IQ individuals. So I’m anti death penalty. Life is cheaper than execution anyhow.
That being said, I don’t have a problem with certain kinds of vigilante justice or vengeance either. Especially vengeance for a loved one. FWIW, I’m not seeking vengeance, but I absolutely get it. Jury nullficaton should always be a right.
Anyhow, the news isn’t in, but I’m rooting for an ethical vengeance situation. He killed a fucking vampire, I hope he’s a hero with respectable views. Even more, I hope they never catch him. Either way the fucker is dead, and good riddance. I hope the other CEOs squirm, they need to either get right or go to prison.
We should be having this discussion in News.
Well, unfortunately the guy used an e-bike with GPS tracking on it as his getaway vehicle, so I very much doubt he’s going to get away with it. But yes - I agree with you on the death penalty. Shit gets complicated when the state gets involved.
And who are you that we should give any shits about your call-out?
Well aren’t you pious
I’m ready to go out and celebrate with some drinks over this fucking asshole getting what he deserved. How many millions have him and his ilk killed by denying them healthcare?
Fuck him and fuck all his bootlickers.
Celebrating someone death does not mean you cant be virtuous. Even killing someone can be considered virtuous in many different cases. Killing out of mercy, to protect others, or to change things for the better can be considered virtuous in many way. Revenge, jealousy and hatred are bad, but a murder comitted over revenge doesnt mean it cannot be celebrated as an opportunity for change or awareness… Victim murder may be wrong even if he was a shitstain for the society, but from his murder maybe good things may happen, maybe its successor may think twice on deciding on the balance between profit and client wellness…
The small number of comments like yours with extreme downvote counts against the absolute deluge of celebratory posts has me feeling pretty fucked about the entire Lemmy community. I understand people’s poor opinions of the health insurance industry, but this mass endorsement of murdering their executives is not a good turn for this community.
It doesn’t even serve our causes. It doesn’t get us any closer to universal healthcare, or price caps on lifesaving care, or healthcare ethics reforms, or any of the other things that actually need to happen.
With a second Trump term starting next month, if the accelerationist lunatics begging for more dead CEOs gets their way, you’re going to see some of the most horrific state violence imaginable as our new fascist kakistocracy zeros in on their “enemy within” boogyman.
On the note of actually giving a shit about healthcare outcomes, nobody on Lemmy seems to be organizing against the status quo. There are no communities here about unfair health insurance decisions, and medical bankruptcy. Generally speaking, Lemmy has a progressive view on healthcare, but very little interest in organizing about it materially.
But when a CEO gets murdered, the Tankies come out en masse to tell us that shooting and killing a father of 2 is actually heroism or something.
It’s just pure violent hatred, and while I understand where people’s anger comes from, I don’t think I’m going to stick around this place much longer if this kind of rhetoric is going to be treated as normal. If this is how the general userbase of Lemmy actually thinks, I’ll show myself the door and find people who aren’t pieces of shit.
Just wanted you to know, despite the downvotes you’re getting, you are completely fucking right and everyone else who has decided that this is the time to cause a scene can hopefully get banned.
boo hoo, the guy that set policies that killed their own customers when they became inconvenient to their bottom line, solely to increase their private profit, had 2 kids. Those kids will still go to fancy private schools and be materially fine, arguably with one less antisocial influence.
How many parents of kids without trust funds did he kill with United Healthcare’s policies designed to deny necessary care solely to boost private profits?
https://www.propublica.org/article/evicore-health-insurance-denials-cigna-unitedhealthcare-aetna-prior-authorizations
We don’t even get to vote on this being allowed, the last President that promised to fix this system intituted a plan that instead of removing the profit motive from Healthcare doubled down and further enshrined insurer middlemen predators like United Healthcare.
I know people like you. People that believe if we just play by the rules, protest in designated protest zones pathetically outside the eyeline and profit operations of those being protested, vote for either of our bought and paid for parties that defend this economy from the society it perversely controls, then a just world will just emerge. It won’t. Not unless we fight for it. And I’m not using fight as a metaphor, because those that seek power over the masses never surrender their power by anything but force or the real threat thereof.
But maybe we should just exercise more temperance as you say, let them completely destroy Earth’s climate for humans first while we ask them really nicely not to. Wow.
Oh, also, bye. Maybe reddit would be a good fit for you.