Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
The DNC operates in bad faith on a constant basis, or have you forgotten Hillary’s superdelegates, or all the moderates coalescing around biden when bernie was winning the second time, its par for the course.
The DNC only wins championing progressive policies and then turns around and fellates the most centrist most milquetoast moderates, its steeped in bad faith.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
Democrats needed them to cooperate to get anything passed. If pressed too hard they would’ve switch republican and democrats would’ve gotten so little legislation passed that they would’ve been identical to the leftists that have never accomplished anything.
This is a foreign concept to leftists because leftists don’t get elected let alone get legislation passed. Or understand the importance of voting as you’re proving.
Working together to get a trusted candidate elected is also a foreign concept. That is why every progressive that gets elected ends up being a republican (Fetterman, Sinema, etc.).
Yet we still have leftists complaining that the DNC won’t have open primaries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than once, I must be a leftists.
The DNC wins by trying to cater to as many voters as possible because that’s the job of a politician.
Leftists consistently lose by refusing to work with anyone outside of their ideology which is just a small fraction of the voters.
Yes, their strategy of crowbarring in the candidate their funders want via superdelegate or just unilateral appointment has really appealed to the majority of voters
If there is any truth to that statement it is solely because of voter disenfranchisement through antivoter gerry-mandering, electoral college bullshit.
So if your saying you have to vote for us its rigged in our favor then you are correct.
But heres the thing, we can just take our ball and fuck all of yall over too, as much as you hate it you can’t win without us.
Democrats have been winning without leftists since the 90s. After leftists tanked the 2024 election by not showing up to vote, democrats are better off appealing to centrists like they have every election win since the 90s.
Leftists consistently lose elections and have never gotten a single piece of legislation passed. They are a very small fraction of all voters and they refuse to work with other ideologies. This guarantees they will continue to lose and never get any legislation passed.
Democrats are better off working with centrists because they actually show up to vote. Unlike leftists who can easily be tricked into not voting in their own best interest by using hot topics like Gaza or whatever the current event is.
Ok so just for a moment let’s pretend you are now democratic God/king/
emperor.
You get to build the new party of the left. What policies are you going to run on to garner support from the majority of Americans? I am genuinely curious what you imagine this ideal left wing party to look like.
Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don’t need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.
The voters that elected Trump hate progressives. Those are the the libs they want to “own.” The only way becoming more progressive would help is if millions of people that didn’t vote in the 2024 election vote for the progressive candidate.
Considering there were about 90 million (archived) who didn’t vote in 2024, that seems totally possible. Harris only lost by about 2-3 million, so we’re talking 5% of this group needing to be the sort of “both parties are too right wing, there’s no point in voting” types who could be brought into our fold.
Reports are now showing over 4 million valid votes were rejected and purged by various voter suppression tactics taken between 2020 and 2024. Seems there might turn out to actually be something to the stolen election theory
Interesting you think they need to be more left?
Democrats aren’t left at all, they are effectively center-right.
look at sinema and manchin, they led the biden administration.
Its a big tent, and its drafty in here.
Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
The DNC operates in bad faith on a constant basis, or have you forgotten Hillary’s superdelegates, or all the moderates coalescing around biden when bernie was winning the second time, its par for the course.
The DNC only wins championing progressive policies and then turns around and fellates the most centrist most milquetoast moderates, its steeped in bad faith.
Democrats needed them to cooperate to get anything passed. If pressed too hard they would’ve switch republican and democrats would’ve gotten so little legislation passed that they would’ve been identical to the leftists that have never accomplished anything.
This is a foreign concept to leftists because leftists don’t get elected let alone get legislation passed. Or understand the importance of voting as you’re proving.
Working together to get a trusted candidate elected is also a foreign concept. That is why every progressive that gets elected ends up being a republican (Fetterman, Sinema, etc.).
Yet we still have leftists complaining that the DNC won’t have open primaries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than once, I must be a leftists.
The DNC wins by trying to cater to as many voters as possible because that’s the job of a politician.
Leftists consistently lose by refusing to work with anyone outside of their ideology which is just a small fraction of the voters.
Yes, their strategy of crowbarring in the candidate their funders want via superdelegate or just unilateral appointment has really appealed to the majority of voters
Appealed to more voters than leftist are able muster.
If there is any truth to that statement it is solely because of voter disenfranchisement through antivoter gerry-mandering, electoral college bullshit.
So if your saying you have to vote for us its rigged in our favor then you are correct.
But heres the thing, we can just take our ball and fuck all of yall over too, as much as you hate it you can’t win without us.
Democrats have been winning without leftists since the 90s. After leftists tanked the 2024 election by not showing up to vote, democrats are better off appealing to centrists like they have every election win since the 90s.
Damn you’re right that’s must be why Harris won so hard by campaigning with liz cheney 🤮.
Keep losing, nobody wants what you’re selling.
Move left or be left behind.
Trump lost by more than Harris in 2020 then came back and won. If he followed your advice he wouldn’t have won in 2024.
Leave it to leftists (a group that never wins elections) to quit too soon.
I voted Democrat in every single election since I turned 18, im 34 now, the democrats are not going to get us where we need to go.
Democrats don’t fight hard enough, and they reach across the aisle to pivot right at every opportunity.
They would rather court never trumpers like liz cheney 🤮 than make concessions to their own base
Democrats don’t want to win, they want to capture progressive momentum and suffocate it.
Your party is not entitled to our votes when you fail to deliver.
Merrick Garland ass motherfuckers telling me the left cant win.
Leftists consistently lose elections and have never gotten a single piece of legislation passed. They are a very small fraction of all voters and they refuse to work with other ideologies. This guarantees they will continue to lose and never get any legislation passed.
Democrats are better off working with centrists because they actually show up to vote. Unlike leftists who can easily be tricked into not voting in their own best interest by using hot topics like Gaza or whatever the current event is.
Ok so just for a moment let’s pretend you are now democratic God/king/ emperor.
You get to build the new party of the left. What policies are you going to run on to garner support from the majority of Americans? I am genuinely curious what you imagine this ideal left wing party to look like.
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Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don’t need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.
The voters that elected Trump hate progressives. Those are the the libs they want to “own.” The only way becoming more progressive would help is if millions of people that didn’t vote in the 2024 election vote for the progressive candidate.
Considering there were about 90 million (archived) who didn’t vote in 2024, that seems totally possible. Harris only lost by about 2-3 million, so we’re talking 5% of this group needing to be the sort of “both parties are too right wing, there’s no point in voting” types who could be brought into our fold.
Reports are now showing over 4 million valid votes were rejected and purged by various voter suppression tactics taken between 2020 and 2024. Seems there might turn out to actually be something to the stolen election theory
Yes, they’ve been moving right and trying to stay in the center for 30 years.
They’ve won the majority of the elections in the last 30 years. So must be a winning strategy.
They need to not be so locked in to the branding of existing Dems.