“calls for violence in any form against any living creature” are a violation of lemmy.world terms of service. Comments calling for or celebrating violence will be removed, and may result in additional moderation actions
Super disappointed mods can’t parse people not being surprised or feeling something was deserved as a consequence of their actions, and advocating the violence.
My comment that got removed was “can’t imagine why this happened”, which neither calls for, nor celebrates violence, but expresses that the conditions leading to such an action, in our dystopian US are predictable, have happened before countless times in history all over the world.
The inability to acknowledge the fault of the powerful actors and system that created such conditions and utter lack of consequences for the rich and powerful in the US are what caused such responses for an agreeably horrific act. The issue that won’t go away, on Lemmy or anywhere else, and oversimplifying the above to “advocating violence” is disingenuous if deliberate, and idiotic if accidental.
Any living creature can’t be the standard. That’s just absurdly Broad. By this argument you can’t have cooking communities. In any form against any living creature? I can’t cut down a tree on this website apparently.
I posted in c/news about the mods being overzealous in deleting posts in these threads, and it was deleted for rule 6. Fair enough. However, I have looked over the modlogs for the post regarding this shooting and the number of posts that are being deleted for relatively innocuous comments is excessive.
Being happy a bad person got shot is not : Glorifying Violence, Celebrating Violence, nor Inciting Violence.
More over, If this were someone like Kim Jong-Un, or Putin who had been shot, I find it hard to believe the mods would be nearly so overzealous to delete comments saying in essence “good, he had it coming”.
I don’t think the mods are intentionally skewing the conversation as much as they have an unexamined bias.
It is okay for people to be happy a bad thing happened to a bad person. Other people are okay to disagree with this statement. Let the discussion (within reason) happen. If you aren’t prepared to moderate a discussion, turn off comments on your magazine.
Mod: The moderators of this community - and those of other communities - have an easy-to-verify track record for removing any calls for violence and encouraging/celebrating past violence, even directed at despicable individuals. This does not depend on the target of the violence. It is a part of the terms of service of the server, which are not determined by the moderators of this community. Users also agree to these terms by accessing lemmy.world (I am not a lawyer - please contact an admin if you have legal questions).
“Celebrating violence” is not in the TOS. I get how one can move from the TOS “No call for violence” to a more practical “no celebrating violence”. But no, no one here agreed to that in the TOS because that is not what is in the TOS.
And honestly the section in the TOS which you guys keep quoting:
Attacks on users or groups
Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack >other people or groups of people. Just because you disagree with someone doesn’t give you the right to harass them. Discuss ideas and be critical of >principles. Show the respect you desire to receive.
We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.
Really seems to be there to protect the users of Lemmy from violence, which I support. Not the CEOS of Corporations. I mean, in the context of the paragraph it seems obvious you guys are overreacting to most of the deleted posts.
Did you read this comment or apply any thought before you hit post? “Against any living thing” is so hilariously broad it makes me wonder if you’re just trolling.
In this context in nearly is. It is a partial quote that is missing the context (the section it is in is generally talking about targeting other lemmy users and groups) and furthermore, they are using that overly broad one line to justify deleting a large amount of comments that “glorify” violence. Which is not in the TOS, including comments that don’t talk about violence at all like:
Someone saying they would contribute to a legal defense fund
Someone mentioning an insanity plea or Jury nullification for a legal defense
Someone advocating for calling in to the tip line in protest
I get the mods have a job to do, but they aren’t doing it very well and are severely overreacting and over-interpreting a single line in the TOS.
It depends on the community. For example, the Political Memes community of .world is incredibly dumb when it comes to moderation and I’ve been moderated for “misinformation” for saying that a party sending billions in support of genocide means that the party supports genocide, but that’s an instance of moderators trying to enforce their opinions through the moderation system. At least in this case it’s out of an abundance of caution since there’s such a stigma against violence and even messages simply celebrating it can be misconstrued as encouraging it.
Meh, they should grow a spine, people call for violence all day on truth social, twitter, etc.
This whole ‘abundance of caution’ is due to decades of successful brainwashing and propaganda. How many avoidable deaths are the direct result of executive policy at healthcare, oil, law enforcement, etc. organizations?
Should we censor celebrations or (hypothetical) calls for the deaths of Hitler, Mao, Andrew Jackson, etc?
When does it become acceptable to fight back? When you’ve been conditioned to exercise an ‘abundance of caution’ the answer is never.
I’m not calling for violent revolution here, nor a complete lack of moderation, I’m just noting that removing comments of a rightfully angry and frustrated community is weak as fuck.
If you post a manifesto with calls to violence, sure, I can see that being removed, but a little festive comment celebrating the death of a deserving POS? GTFO.
You’re just power tripping. I saw the comments. You are clearly incapable of discerning calls for violence or celebration from various other sentiments. It’s pathetic. This is some Reddit-type shit.
I am on your side on this one. Non-violence is a principle that this community needs to enforce.
If anything, I am shocked that there are so many brazenly violent, celebratory, and dehumanizing comments still in this thread, and it makes me worry that even you aren’t drawing the line very well here.
People repeatedly spammed the same violent things to several different threads about this here, and none of them seem to have caught a ban.
This is a Nazi Bar problem. You folks need to purge these extremist trolls. Advocating for murder is an absolute non-starter. Lemmy isn’t usually this bloodthirsty, and if you want to keep it from being this way every day you need to clean house and start handing out significant bans and send a message today.
I’d start those people replying to you here telling you off for enforcing the most basic content rules. Turn this thread into a graveyard before you’ve sent the message that this is how we behave here.
This is not a Nazi Bar problem. This is a mod being overly sensitive to people being happy about someone getting what they deserve after making millions of peoples lives harder. You trying to turn this into a non-violence issue is just pathetic.
Seriously, I will not mince words. This man was a mass murderer directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. If there is a hell, he is there right now. He killed more people with a pen than any serial killer in American history did with a knife or gun.
We have a justice system so that we don’t need to use vigilante violence. Make no mistake, this man was a mass murderer. He was personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But because of our corrupt legal and justice system, he was able to get away with it.
We no longer have any legal method of holding the wealthy and powerful to account for their crimes. The courts are crooked and the politicians bought and paid for. Again, we implemented courts and a justice system so that we didn’t have to use vigilante violence. In olden times, if someone killed your loved one, it was perfectly acceptable to kill them in revenge. We in time implemented a formal legal system to prevent this kind of retributive vigilante violence.
Well, what do you think happens when you break that legal system so thoroughly that the wealthy can no longer be held to account? At that point, your society goes right back to the law of might makes right.
It’s actually very similar to the violence that occurs between gangs. If you’re a drug dealing mafioso, and someone cheats you in a drug deal, you can’t turn to the courts for relief. So instead, you have to use violence.
The people no longer have any real way of holding the wealthy responsible, even for literally murdering innocent people. We’re going to see a lot more such attacks in the future. And it will not end until we reinstate the old peace treaty that is our justice system.
“calls for violence in any form against any living creature” are a violation of lemmy.world terms of service. Comments calling for or celebrating violence will be removed, and may result in additional moderation actions
Super disappointed mods can’t parse people not being surprised or feeling something was deserved as a consequence of their actions, and advocating the violence.
My comment that got removed was “can’t imagine why this happened”, which neither calls for, nor celebrates violence, but expresses that the conditions leading to such an action, in our dystopian US are predictable, have happened before countless times in history all over the world.
The inability to acknowledge the fault of the powerful actors and system that created such conditions and utter lack of consequences for the rich and powerful in the US are what caused such responses for an agreeably horrific act. The issue that won’t go away, on Lemmy or anywhere else, and oversimplifying the above to “advocating violence” is disingenuous if deliberate, and idiotic if accidental.
What’s crazy is they seem to be removing comments just mentioning that jury nullification is a thing…
I saw that. The mods here have lost their collective minds. I have never seen a thread with so many deleted comments.
Any living creature can’t be the standard. That’s just absurdly Broad. By this argument you can’t have cooking communities. In any form against any living creature? I can’t cut down a tree on this website apparently.
Antibacterial soap are murder. Vaccines are okay though, except for that one weird virus that actually experiences internal changes sans host.
Don’t condone walking down the sidewalk. You could kill an ant.
I’ll just wait here for my ban for talking about mowing my lawn.
I think we overuse antibiotics but this is ridiculous
They mean humans - so speciest
I posted in c/news about the mods being overzealous in deleting posts in these threads, and it was deleted for rule 6. Fair enough. However, I have looked over the modlogs for the post regarding this shooting and the number of posts that are being deleted for relatively innocuous comments is excessive.
Being happy a bad person got shot is not : Glorifying Violence, Celebrating Violence, nor Inciting Violence.
More over, If this were someone like Kim Jong-Un, or Putin who had been shot, I find it hard to believe the mods would be nearly so overzealous to delete comments saying in essence “good, he had it coming”.
I don’t think the mods are intentionally skewing the conversation as much as they have an unexamined bias.
It is okay for people to be happy a bad thing happened to a bad person. Other people are okay to disagree with this statement. Let the discussion (within reason) happen. If you aren’t prepared to moderate a discussion, turn off comments on your magazine.
Mod: The moderators of this community - and those of other communities - have an easy-to-verify track record for removing any calls for violence and encouraging/celebrating past violence, even directed at despicable individuals. This does not depend on the target of the violence. It is a part of the terms of service of the server, which are not determined by the moderators of this community. Users also agree to these terms by accessing lemmy.world (I am not a lawyer - please contact an admin if you have legal questions).
“Celebrating violence” is not in the TOS. I get how one can move from the TOS “No call for violence” to a more practical “no celebrating violence”. But no, no one here agreed to that in the TOS because that is not what is in the TOS.
And honestly the section in the TOS which you guys keep quoting:
Really seems to be there to protect the users of Lemmy from violence, which I support. Not the CEOS of Corporations. I mean, in the context of the paragraph it seems obvious you guys are overreacting to most of the deleted posts.
Also, why did you guys delete the post about Jury Nullification?
because they’re fucking snowflakes.
You guys are full of shit.
i have removed comments that were celebrating the death of hamas and hezbollah leaders so i do commit to being fair in my removals
Did you read this comment or apply any thought before you hit post? “Against any living thing” is so hilariously broad it makes me wonder if you’re just trolling.
Even AI is right 10% of the time
Quoting the Lemmy ToS is not trolling
In this context in nearly is. It is a partial quote that is missing the context (the section it is in is generally talking about targeting other lemmy users and groups) and furthermore, they are using that overly broad one line to justify deleting a large amount of comments that “glorify” violence. Which is not in the TOS, including comments that don’t talk about violence at all like:
Someone saying they would contribute to a legal defense fund
Someone mentioning an insanity plea or Jury nullification for a legal defense
Someone advocating for calling in to the tip line in protest
I get the mods have a job to do, but they aren’t doing it very well and are severely overreacting and over-interpreting a single line in the TOS.
Oh, lord, check the mod logs for what these weirdos will ban people over. It’s pathetic.
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Context Jeff. Context.
I used bleach on my countertops this morning killing millions of bacteria. Put me in Lemmy Jail.
You didn’t call for violence though.
It happened and I think its good.
I’m calling for everyone to clean their counters!
He’s not a living creature anymore.
Damnnnnnn I love Lemmy
Was he ever really a human being?
Lol
How was my comment about jury nullification against tos?
They’ll never answer that one.
It is interesting. Calls for violence are against the TOS. There is actually nothing in the TOS or the sidebar rules about “Celebrating Violence”.
I mean that is fine and all, and frankly it is a good policy. Just kinda bad form to be deleting so many posts for something that isn’t in the TOS.
Seems the mods have added additional interpretations to the TOS and then used that as justification to delete a whole lot of the conversation.
Anyways. I like violent video games. Is that celebrating violence, how about football? Can I like football here?
You can, but don’t talk about boxing or mma.
There’s a distinction between ending evil and ending life. The former is worthy of celebration whether or not the latter overlaps with it.
Wish I would have known how over zealous .world moderation was gonna be when I signed up. Go take a nap for a couple days.
Same. I’d explain why but I don’t want to be (shadow) banned.
It depends on the community. For example, the Political Memes community of .world is incredibly dumb when it comes to moderation and I’ve been moderated for “misinformation” for saying that a party sending billions in support of genocide means that the party supports genocide, but that’s an instance of moderators trying to enforce their opinions through the moderation system. At least in this case it’s out of an abundance of caution since there’s such a stigma against violence and even messages simply celebrating it can be misconstrued as encouraging it.
Meh, they should grow a spine, people call for violence all day on truth social, twitter, etc.
This whole ‘abundance of caution’ is due to decades of successful brainwashing and propaganda. How many avoidable deaths are the direct result of executive policy at healthcare, oil, law enforcement, etc. organizations?
Should we censor celebrations or (hypothetical) calls for the deaths of Hitler, Mao, Andrew Jackson, etc?
When does it become acceptable to fight back? When you’ve been conditioned to exercise an ‘abundance of caution’ the answer is never.
I’m not calling for violent revolution here, nor a complete lack of moderation, I’m just noting that removing comments of a rightfully angry and frustrated community is weak as fuck.
If you post a manifesto with calls to violence, sure, I can see that being removed, but a little festive comment celebrating the death of a deserving POS? GTFO.
Uncritical support for AIDS as the immune system is responsible for the deaths of millions of bacteria every day.
💦😋🥾💦
I completely understand the “calling for violence” part of the rules. The celebrating part is a bit much, though.
I think something had to die for my turkey sandwich, and I would kill again for another.
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You’re just power tripping. I saw the comments. You are clearly incapable of discerning calls for violence or celebration from various other sentiments. It’s pathetic. This is some Reddit-type shit.
I hope you step on a Lego.
I am on your side on this one. Non-violence is a principle that this community needs to enforce.
If anything, I am shocked that there are so many brazenly violent, celebratory, and dehumanizing comments still in this thread, and it makes me worry that even you aren’t drawing the line very well here.
People repeatedly spammed the same violent things to several different threads about this here, and none of them seem to have caught a ban.
This is a Nazi Bar problem. You folks need to purge these extremist trolls. Advocating for murder is an absolute non-starter. Lemmy isn’t usually this bloodthirsty, and if you want to keep it from being this way every day you need to clean house and start handing out significant bans and send a message today.
I’d start those people replying to you here telling you off for enforcing the most basic content rules. Turn this thread into a graveyard before you’ve sent the message that this is how we behave here.
This is not a Nazi Bar problem. This is a mod being overly sensitive to people being happy about someone getting what they deserve after making millions of peoples lives harder. You trying to turn this into a non-violence issue is just pathetic.
And literally killing some number themselves. Denial of coverage for treatments can and does lead to death in some cases.
Seriously, I will not mince words. This man was a mass murderer directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. If there is a hell, he is there right now. He killed more people with a pen than any serial killer in American history did with a knife or gun.
We have a justice system so that we don’t need to use vigilante violence. Make no mistake, this man was a mass murderer. He was personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But because of our corrupt legal and justice system, he was able to get away with it.
We no longer have any legal method of holding the wealthy and powerful to account for their crimes. The courts are crooked and the politicians bought and paid for. Again, we implemented courts and a justice system so that we didn’t have to use vigilante violence. In olden times, if someone killed your loved one, it was perfectly acceptable to kill them in revenge. We in time implemented a formal legal system to prevent this kind of retributive vigilante violence.
Well, what do you think happens when you break that legal system so thoroughly that the wealthy can no longer be held to account? At that point, your society goes right back to the law of might makes right.
It’s actually very similar to the violence that occurs between gangs. If you’re a drug dealing mafioso, and someone cheats you in a drug deal, you can’t turn to the courts for relief. So instead, you have to use violence.
The people no longer have any real way of holding the wealthy responsible, even for literally murdering innocent people. We’re going to see a lot more such attacks in the future. And it will not end until we reinstate the old peace treaty that is our justice system.