Summary
Donald Trump plans to discuss potentially ending childhood vaccination programs with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., his nominee for Health and Human Services.
Trump expressed openness to revisiting vaccine policies, citing concerns about autism rates, despite scientific consensus debunking links between vaccines and autism.
Critics warn reducing vaccinations could lead to outbreaks of preventable diseases like measles.
Kennedy, known for questioning vaccine safety, would oversee the CDC if confirmed.
Public health experts remain concerned about the implications.
Anybody with half a brain can see the collapse of the U.S. coming from a mile away based on what’s happening right now. Our institutions are at an all-time low in trust, all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.
all bcz of this orange dickhead, and Russian/Chinese disinformation campaigns.
I mean yeah. But also because Americans are profoundly stupid. No excuses. As a whole, we’re stupid as fuck.
Politicians do not benefit from an educated populace.
Decades of republicans cutting education and lying will do that.
You mean that?
We elected TFG… twice. Humanity is doomed
What’s this “we?” I take zero responsibility for the election of that idiot. I tried as hard as I could to get everyone I know to not vote for him.
Eh. It’s “we” whether you like it or not, unfortunately.
Do we really differentiate between the good and bad Germans in Nazi Germany? Not really. History paints with broad strokes. In the future we’re all going to look like the bad guys, whether we fought back or not. It’s a shameful time to be an American.
What? There are quite a few Germans who rebelled against against the Nazis and are recognized for it.
TFG
That Fucking Goon?
I agree with everything you said except that all the blame lies with Trump and Russian/Chinese disinfo campaigns. This has been going on since
the Tea PartyGeorge W Bush/CheneyNewt GingrichReaganprobably before anybody reading this was born
“trump to discuss bringing back ever terrible disease we got rid of or mitigated in the 1900s with RFK Jr.”
We’re gonna party like it’s 1899
Covid was just a warmup
Okay, idiot republicunts. You happy now? Not only are eggs going to be MORE expensive because of bullshit tariffs, but your kids are going to die from measles and shit. Way to go, cunts.
They won’t know about it until it personally affects them, then they’ll play the victim card.
No, then it will simply be democrats fault, or immigrants
As is tradition!
Not their kids, they can afford the vaccines at list price. It’s the poors who will die, as Supply Side Jesus intended.
All those hillbilly fuckbrains who voted for trump? All those suburban moms who voted for a rapist? Nah bruv, those people can’t afford a $1200 vaccine or whatever the fuck. The traitor oligarchs can, sure. Perhaps they will meet their fate via a different route, nahmean?
How does that help them? It’s a vaccine. If just you have yours, it doesn’t work very well. It still helps some and objectively improves things so it’s still a good idea, but it’s not like having it when everybody does their job.
You are thinking like someone who gives a damn about other humans. Yes, everyone benefits when everyone who is able to gets the shot and we can keep the overall spread down.
But what if you are the type of person who thinks that everything is a zero-sum game, and you’re not really a winner unless you have more than the other guy? What advantage is there to you, personally, if everyone benefits? It’s much better if you get the benefits, and people you hate do not.
Who exactly do you think voted for Trump? lmao
To be fair, the price of eggs will likely be more affected by bird flu which will spread uncontrollably, since Trump will abolish all common sense regulations.
I hope at least a sizeable chunk of Trump voters regret voting for him. It breaks my heart to know that there are legitimately people who have paid attention to all his lies and already broken promises and still want the guy to lead the country. I don’t know how to salvage someone like that.
I researched this exact question. There is a way called deep canvasing https://www.vice.com/en/article/how-to-change-a-voters-mind-is-deep-canvassing/
It’s scientifically proven. Try having a one on one conversation with someone. Listen to what they say and respond with empathy. Then gradually and calmly introduce your message that is related to what they said. For example if the person you are talking to said they are worried about grocery prices and specifically egg prices you could mention that bird flu was the root cause of the price increase and that Trump’s tariffs will raise prices on groceries. Building trust helps your message get across. I’ve had personal conversations with Trump supporters who trust me and you’d be surprised how much success you can have.
This is correct, I use this method a lot in my work with the disabled. Often with clients that struggle with mental health, it’s important to redirect negative thoughts and feelings, but you have to do this without jumping to condescending or infantilising language.
The easiest way is to empathize with <negative thought or feeling> acknowledging it as worthy of the space it’s taking up and offering up something related that I might worry about. Then redirect with a similar subject, but framed in a way that gives more power over it. Maybe a news article that pointed out how <related thing> is being solved by someone, or overcome, or even simply made fun of.
If you can laugh at something for being ridiculous it has less power.
You don’t need to change their belief in <negative thought or feeling> you just need to redirect it and reframe it, they will then have a different mental relationship with it later, and over time change.
it’s important to redirect negative thoughts and feelings, but you have to do this without jumping to condescending or infantilising language.
So much this! I used to be a Trump supporter myself and I’ve made some people angry because of my previous political views. I got yelled at for what I said. Even though in hindsight their reaction was somewhat justified all that did was reinforce my views and dig a deeper hole.
Wow! Thanks for the link. You’ve brightened my evening a bit.
You have to age them out there’s no other way, their brains are rot.
I don’t think this is going to work. There are just as many younger trump/cultist/conservative voters now as there have been. Church attendance is not falling off and megachurches are getting more and more popular. People have been saying the same thing about the right-wing die-off as long as I’ve been a voter, and as much as I’d love to see it, I don’t see it happening.
Well I don’t mean in our lifetime but maybe hundreds of years from now it will finally happen. What other choice do we have?
I’ll sound like Google, but I think you’d like The Brainwashing of my Dad.
Promote them to CEO
The US is in the fast lane on the super highway to full stupid.
Holy shit, is this for real?
It’s been anticipated throughout the campaign, but kind of got overshadowed by all the other horrible stuff about Trump. RFK Jr. is the biggest anti-vaxxer in the world. Trump ran with him openly to get his cult on his side. This is the obvious result.
Yes it must be the vaccines that are causing autism rates! Ignore the studies and decades of evidence that show they don’t, because they definitely do!
It’s not all the micro plastic pollution, or car pollution, or chemicals in our water, or hormones in our food, no it’s definitely the vaccines!
- This message is brought to you by Karen and Cletus
autism is genetic.
It, like ADHD, has a strong genetic component, but it’s not a 1:1 correlation.
Epigenetics likely play a massive role also. Which might be the genetic correlation we’re seeing. Epigenetic influences have been shown to last multiple generations from the original trigger (specifically with the effects of trauma).
In the case of autism and ADHD, the epigenetic triggers are likely environmental, such as microplastics, over usage of antibiotics, and various toxic chemicals we’re exposed to daily.
My own personal theory is that the current rates of autism and ADHD might be affected (but not solely caused by) the use of lead in gasoline 50+ years ago. Lead exposure has lifelong implications and absolutely affects embryos as they’re developing. But that’s just a personal theory.
Edit: Holy hell! This popped up on my Google News Feed only hours after making this comment.
Pro-life crowd really trying to murder as many children as they can. That’s crazy. Good luck America.
Thank you USA if you do this, it will most likely show our crazies here in Europe why exactly it is we do it.
Of course I feel sorry for the children that will get needlessly sick.
We may see Darwin awards on a national scale for thefirst2nd time in history.
Except this time is worse, because it’s parents killing off their innocent children through stupidity. But A kind of Darwin award nonetheless, since they are ending their genetic line.First time in history? Did we forget about the Herman Cain awards already?
You are right, it already happened during Covid. I made an edit.
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Wow, the measles are going to absolutely ruin America, and then spread to the world. One of my family members was ‘immune’ to the vaccine for it, and a doctor took my aunt aside and told her that basically any large crowd was a danger to my cousin. IE. “Go to the fair and there’s a chance he catches it.” Luckily he was able to finally reach the % required that from the vaccine but I think he was 16 before that happened.
So many children are going to die. I wonder if people who didn’t vote in the US are starting to realise what they’ve done.
and then spread to the world
But the rest of the world still has the vaccine programs. Very quickly Americans will require proof of vaccination before visiting other countries. While there might be an uptick in cases outside of the US, it will be nothing compared to within.
We’re already having a problem with it in Canada, so I’m pretty damn nervous. I have family members who really rely on herd immunity.
Ya, I’m in Canada also. And unfortunately I know more than a couple of people who legit believe vaccines are a scam. But you can find idiots everywhere. I’m honestly not too worried about it here.
The issue is, especially for measles, herd immunity. There are some major problems with measles in particular, such as:
Measles is so contagious that one infected person can spread the respiratory virus to 90% of people in the same room—and it can live in the air for two hours. Often, an infected person doesn’t even know they have measles for several weeks.
and
Early symptoms include a fever, cough, runny nose, and red eyes, all of which could be overlooked as part of a common cold. A skin rash doesn’t typically appear until three to five days after the first symptoms appear. Someone with measles is contagious four days before the rash begins and four days after. There is no cure for measles, but if you’ve received the measles vaccine or are immune from a previous infection, consider yourself protected.
Another major problem is…:
Depending on the disease, herd immunity may begin to show beneficial effects when just 40% of the population is vaccinated. But for particularly contagious diseases, that threshold is far higher, exceeding 80%. The vaccination rate should be about 96% to achieve herd immunity for measles.
So we’re going to have immune compromised people getting and then spreading measels. It hits children the hardest, and we’re going to start seeing absolutely heart-breaking headlines about children dying to a completely preventable illness.
Oh, I don’t disagree. Measles is horrible. It’s even been found to reset a person’s immune system. Like erased to newborn status.
But what I mean about not being too worried, is that I have a modicum amount of faith in fellow Canadians. And once those insane policies start happening in the US, the entire rest of the world is going to place travel restrictions to/from the US.
But what I mean about not being too worried, is that I have a modicum amount of faith in fellow Canadians.
I’m glad you do, and I don’t. If, as polls show he should rather easily, Poilievre wins the next election we’ll have a Prime Minister who marched with the Convoy. In addition, the Federal Conservative party voted in 2022 to not recognize climate change. The idea he’ll place restrictions down is, to my mind, flat out wrong. I think he’ll bow and kowtow to whatever Trump says, and from the amount of ‘Make Canada Great Again’ hats (And the full on MAGA ones as well, which is… bizarre) I see throughout the interior of BC/Alberta, I think there’s some serious indicators the voters will, too. John Rustad almost beat the BC NDP. Polls show 43% of voters in Ontario plan to vote for Doug Ford again.
I am glad you have faith in Canadians, I just don’t understand where that faith comes from.
I am glad you have faith in Canadians, I just don’t understand where that faith comes from.
Mostly from interacting quite a bit with Americans and seeing how much better Canada is by comparison. Don’t get me wrong, things are tending down, but we’ve got quite a ways to go before we get that bad.
What.the.fuck. why .
Bro. You know why. Trump is a puppet and Putin’s pulling the strings.
Chaos.
Make America Sick Again. But not, like siiick, dude!
Well at least all the historians will get to see what the collapse of the Roman Empire was like in realtime.
Was cool while it lasted.
Compulsory quarantine for people coming from the US into EU is gonna happen very fast
Many nearly extinct diseases are already planning their great comeback tour in the US.
Wonder what will happen when the rest of the world denies entry to Americans for health reasons.
I wonder how the Turtle will vote, he had polio when he was a kid…
Not enough polio.
