• hansolo@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    You should tell this to subsistence farmers living in Sub-saharan Africa that farm nearly every calorie they consume. It’s a negotiation between them, the earth, and the uncaring sky. Same as its been for millennia. No rich people necessarily involved.

    Are they free because no rich people are involved?

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      3 months ago

      Is every person in those communities required to work to eat and have shelter, or does the community take care of those that are unable to contribute labor due to health conditions/old age?

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        3 months ago

        Everyone works, it’s just a matter of on what.

        In the community where I lived, usually the guys did the farming, which was back-breaking work, leaning over hoeing land manually. Men would also raise livestock, be tailors, teachers, traders, barbers, and a few other jobs. Don’t get too wound up over “traders” - a guy would borrow money to walk to a large town and buy things he would sell to neighbors out of his home. He would do this until so many people said they would pay him back for the things from the “store” that he didn’t have any money to buy things in town anymore, so the town would be without things like salt or kerosene for lanterns for a couple weeks, and then people would get fed up, and one new guy would start the cycle over again.

        Women pounded the millet and sorghum into flour to make food, did gardening, made every meal, raised the kids, pulled water from the well, and some other micro-level cottage industry-ish type things.

        But people worked every day. Old people worked every day. Unless you got malaria or had a severe injury, every day was work until you died, and even then you tried to do something because there was always so much work to do.

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          3 months ago

          Some people took care of meals and the household. That isn’t the kind of work to live that we are talking about because it isn’t directly paid.

          Not to mention people with severe injuries or illnesses that can’t do hard labor. Someone with crippling arthritis will still be provided for by the community.

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      3 months ago

      Rich people are very likely at fault, too, given that shitty countries are handy for cheap labour and materials, like coltan…

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        3 months ago

        Explain how that works with a village of 350 people 4k from a paved road, where no one can or does work outside of the village doing farming work.

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      3 months ago

      I can imagine by some stretch you can still blame the rich, maybe without the rich people they’d have more access to better farmland, cheap water, etc.

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        3 months ago

        Lol, so desperate to be the victim of an imaginary rich person that you don’t even understand that it universally takes work to do things like eat food.

        How do you think people got food 10,000 years ago? Or 30,000?

        Do you think being a hunter-gatherer society is a vacation? Who were the rich people before money was invented that apparently caused things like drought?

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          3 months ago

          The kind of comments I’m reading here explain a lot of why Dems lost the election

          They are willfully disconnected from the reality of their fellow Americans

          They don’t see it