I didn’t mean for this post to cause a bunch of arguing in the comments =(
I thought this was just some gallows humor (e.g. “Everything’s lovely except that I have to fear for my safety all the time”) type of shitpost that sounded similar to comments I’ve heard from women irl a lot.
If you see something like this and get angry at women, you have a problem.
At best it’s a problem with reading comprehension. At worst, you’re worried that things like this could get in the way of your murdering-women hobby.
My problem with this post is exactly the same I have with any broad assumptions over a poorly defined group: taken as fact, they’re false.
Of course it’s meant to make a point, and a very valid one. But I’ll point out that there are many places in the world where a young woman can go out for a walk at night without fear of never being seen again, and it’s not because there’s fewer men, so perhaps we should focus on the conditions to achieve this?
If the meme was clearly an assertion of fact that men in general love murdering women, yes
Personally I read it as “[some] men love murdering”
Statistically most people don’t get murdered, but air-travel is also very safe, and people are still afraid of flying. If a meme about wanting to travel said “shame that planes crash” people probably wouldn’t be all angry about it. Or perhaps they would, people* are weird
(* again [some] people)
Probably wouldn’t, but some might be a bit miffed if someone said “shame men love crashing planes”. Even though it’s true most commercial pilots are men, so most plane crashes are done by men.
If there were as many man and women pilots, and the vast majority of airline crashes were by men and intentional, that would certainly be worth discussing.
I bet it would still make some men angry though, as people often have an emotional knee-jerk reaction to defend what they see as their in-group. That reaction is not always helpful. Instinctively seeing “men” as your team and “women” as an opposing team leads to all kinds of BS we’d be better off without.
For fairness, it’s also not great when women see “women” as their team and “men” as the enemy. It doesn’t lead to quite as many rapes and murders though.
You speak about people reflexively picking their teams. But what about people that reflexively put everyone they meet on teams?
I hold no allegiance to Team Testosterone but, if everyone who sees me says, “oh, yeah, you’re Team Testosterone. And also I know everything I need to know about you now.” It gets a bit grating.
It is safer for vulnerable people to make those assumptions and I won’t begrudge them their safety. But I don’t have to like how it invalidates the lifetime of interactions I’ve had and I won’t feel compelled to laugh when a offhand joke necessarily implicates me because of the team I’ve been assigned to.
Yeah that sounds pretty fair honestly. Being cautions to feel safe is pretty understandable. Outright considering every man the same would be a bit harsh, and also obviously incorrect.
That’s an interesting point. I’m sure you’re right, it would not trigger anger fits on so many people, by a long shot.
It still irks me tough, because all planes fly (or they wouldn’t be a plane), that’s a defining characteristic. But planes in general don’t crash, and conflating the two just adds to the fear of planes and does very little for our overall safety.
I’m not arguing they’re not dangerous, because they certainly are. But I think the important discussion is why they can crash, and how we can prevent that.
I’ve been told my whole life tbat i can’t go out at night alone because it 's unsafe. Why is it unsafe? Because there are men out there. Apparently it’s ok for the men in my life to say other men are dangerous but it’s not ok for me to say that men are dangerous. A plague on both your houses. You are all unsafe.
I don’t think anyone could disagree with you, if they’re being honest, men are dangerous. I was hoping for a discussion on why, or if, we can live as a society without one half being afraid of the other, but I’ll take the plague I suppose.
Noooo not my woman murdering hobby >.<
I’m sorry, I know it’s a hobby with long traditions, but woke people have ruined it
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Imagine if you had to deal with actually being targeted as a minority or woman. You’d be so mad, dude.
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I’m not angry at women for fearing violent abuse from men. I think you’re misdirecting this A LOT. If as a person you hear ‘‘men might kill me’’ and you think ‘‘poor poor men, why can’t they catch a break’’ your problem isn’t passive adittudes to bigotry, it’s having no idea that other people have problems and fears and threats and they are as upset about them as you would be in their shoes.
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Are you mad at trans people when they say they aren’t going to be safe in a men’s bathroom? Because they won’t be. I Don’t know why it’s the man part of the statement that you are so upset by. I’m also a man. I’m not hurt by this entirely justified fear that women have.
AGAIN. You are attacking women for fearing men, because they aren’t being sensitive enough to men while expressing fear for their life. This isn’t about men’s feelings. It’s about the women’s feelings. It’s OK to express entirely justified fears.
I’ve been a person who’s had to help document stalking, to help get restraining orders, to put policy in place to prevent men targeting young women. This is a part of running any open to the public business where women work, or frequent. You have to know this as a matter of business management that when a worker or shopper says ‘‘I don’t know this man following or talking to me, and I’m getting scared’’ that you need to take it seriously, and also be aware your two steps behind. It shouldn’t get to that point.
You have to notice when a guy comes in twice to talk to the same cashier, you have to pull them off the floor everytime he comes back, and if he asks once about that staff member, you HAVE to start paperwork. That’s the crucial point. That’s where if you do nothing, someone can get hurt or killed.
THAT EARLY is when you need to have paperwork, offical trespassing complaints, restraining orders, that’s when you need to know that man has been pushed back enough to pull his head out of his ass and realize the high school or college age girl at a shirt folding store isn’t going to fall in love with him, and some pressure to let him know, you’ve already been caught, you can’t get away with it, you’ll never get away with it.
Women deal with this EVERY SINGLE DAY they go out into public alone. I had to learn this. I had no idea it was this bad, I childishly thought cat calling was a thing that only happened in like three different streets in NYC or Boston. Not so. There’s guys with a wife and kids in his 40s driving to work in my small town who will roll down their window and scream obscene things at high school kids they think are hot walking to school.
How many examples are there of trans people raping children?
How many examples of men raping women are there?
I’m a male and I’m not getting wounding up about this. Grow up.
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I just think you sound a bit silly mate.
I’m sorry it bothers you like that.
I personally don’t feel alienated or attacked at all by the kinds of comments you are describing. When I see a comment like “men murder women”, I think of it in the same kind of way comments like “humans are horrible” or “Australians are racist” or “young people have no attention span”… That is to say it describes a trend or someone’s perception of a tendency but does not refer to any specific individual.
People aren’t saying these things to attack you. They are saying them to communicate their own feelings of being unsafe. And to be frank, feeling that you shouldn’t go for a walk at night because it is too dangerous is a pretty serious thing which has obvious negative effects - and the concern is based in reality. It isn’t just a perception problem. So we should take these comments seriously - not just complain about the people saying them.
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lemmy fans learn Lemmy isn’t special
As a girl, I love taking walks in the evening/night or early in the morning, they really are a vibe! However if there’s a man who appears to be following behind me, I always grab my keys in my pocket to be ready to fight in case he tries anything. I will also text friends/family when I’m going out and text them when I arrive back home.
I like to do a fun exercise every time I read something like this.
Swap the word for who you are accusing with some other group. If this make the statement distasteful then the statement is distasteful in it’s orginal form.
The Left like to blame men, the right like to blame immigrants so for example: “it’s a shame immigrants love to commit murder”.
Why is it okay to say men love to murder but not immigrants?
Men really can’t do anything fun anymore 😔
women fear being murdered by men they’ve rejected and strangers
– oof ouch owie my male feelings!
Yeah. That’s what I was doing too… awkward.
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Regurgitated bear meme is stale
Come to Finland, safe to walk at night
finland has a homocide rate of about 1 per 100k.
Countries are generally lower than cities, but some cities for context :Hong Kong : 0.29
Glendale CA : 0.52
Tampere, Finland : 2.2
Arlington TX: 4.8
Los Angeles CA : 10.3
Albequerqe NM : 21.3
Washington DC : 31.85
Flint MI : 70.7
Tijuana MX : 95.9
Bitch wouldn’t be so scared if she had mad bo staff skills… Napoleon tried to show ya’ll, but everyone just laughed… Tina you fat lard come and get some dinner!
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251886/murder-offenders-in-the-us-by-gender/
For anyone wanting to see murders in USA in 2023
Although statistically, it should be males being afraid to walk home at night.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388777/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-gender/
Still from other men though, yes?
Yes, statistically.
Realistically, I suspect a lot of those statistics is organized crime. Criminals killing criminals, so not something most people need to be afraid of when walking on the street. But I have no evidence for that.
I dunno man. I’m a white male, grew up with privilege in an upper middle class family.
I’ve had (2) times when totally random people tried to murder me at night. One while I was cycling, another when my friends and I came out of a movie theater and got chased halfway across the city by a carload of thugs.
Seems so !
Get your pet bear to walk you!
The world would be a better place without us. I feel ashamed for existing.
Stop murdering women and you’ll be fine
Well, I am not so…
You are 10x more likely to die by falling, car crash or unintentionally poisoned than get murdered.
You are 20x more likely to die by falling, car crash, or unintentionally poisoned than get murdered, as a woman.
Women are actually much less likely to get murdered in general.
Stop villainizing men. This is equally as idiotic as villainizing POC because they have higher crime rates Dont sink to the level of the GOP by generalizing. The unfair alienation of young men is real, and ultimately cost us the election, just so we can feel better than them.
I’ve been told my whole life, by men, that I can’t go out at night alone, because men, but if I say it it’s forbidden, because woman. Explain.
“She just got raped, beaten and robbed, that totally isn’t a murder! Women are safer than men!” sheesh, talk about not making a point…
You’re a dumbass. Stop gaslighting women. /A man
A healthy take that will surely result in good faith discussion.
Yikes. Someone makes a gender based overgeneralization when overwhelming evidence (look at crime stats) proves it incorrect, and those that dare to defend that group get attacked.
Bigotry is bigotry. If you hate a group purely based on their superficial membership, then you are bigoted.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot#:~:text=noun,group)%20with%20hatred%20and%20intolerance
The strongest argument you have is when you compare violence perpetrated by gender. But even then, that doesn’t support your argument that all men are evil in some way. And at such low numbers, it’s disingenuous deflection b/c even the two summed up don’t account for even 1% of the population. Sad that so many of you have brain rot.
Shut the fuck up bitch
Lol nice
