He’s just going to get people killed. But that’s ok he doesn’t give a shit anyways, so it’s moot. What are a few thousand dead peasants when we could make big stock number go up?

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    So I visited Bangladesh one time, and learned they have insanely high rates of cancer there. Why? Well it turns out that (among other reasons) the farmers had been injecting formaldehyde into their vegetables because it made them last longer on the shelves, and therefore sold better.

    This is what you get with no regulations. A sick and dying population.

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      I spent a decade living around Africa, and this kind of thinking is common. DDT was what everyone put on the tomatoes because pests mean loss of food. Who wants that?

      Lack of relations is only about living in short-term survival thinking 24/7. Long term effects mean nothing.

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        DDT isn’t going to cause health problems for the people in Africa. It will cause problems for some birds near the top of the food chain however.

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          It’s just the easiest example to use. I have maybe dozens more examples that require more storytelling and setup.

          Ever had someone try to sell you a car with visible drywall screws holding the bumper on, like you were the dick for pointing them out?

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      Go read about how horribly adulterated food was in Europe and the US in the 1800s and before. They’d add sawdust to flour, chalk, toxic metals, rotten meat was sold regularly, etc. Patent medicines were essentially drug trafficking or just scams. Soldiers in the Spanish-American war were supplied with canned meat from the US Civil War. I saw an old film from the time the Pure Food and Drug act was passed showing a can of meat being opened and it literally shot out from the gasses inside.

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        Well, the Libertarians and Republicans had their heads poisoned with total rot like Ayn Rand’s horrible sci-fi, and then spent the past several decades screaming about how derrp, we don’t need no regulations!

        Now I guess we all get to find out along with these dolts.

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          Not to mention the US falling 110% into the cult of individualism. Individualism is fine if it is balanced with the needs of society as a whole. You can’t even get people to chip into schools and roads, shared resources, anymore.

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        Do you have examples of this stuff happening in continental European countries? I’d love to jump down that rabbit hole.

        In the past I’ve read descriptions of systematic bad practices in the industrialized Uk, but I can’t recall reading about similar things happening in other western European countries. Nothing systematic anyhow. I’d image that the french would have had a(nother) revolution if anyone had tried that stuff with their food.

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          Enjoy!

          I think the English were just better at recording it.

          https://victorianweb.org/science/health/health1.html

          https://edu.rsc.org/feature/the-fight-against-food-adulteration/2020253.article

          Here is one in Asia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esing_Bakery_incident

          France passed a food adulteration law in 1905. Many countries were cracking down on it around this time along with the US with the Pure Food and Drug Act under Teddy Roosevelt.

          Examples of food adulteration in France in the 1800s:

          https://review.gale.com/2020/01/08/wine-adulteration-in-the-nineteenth-century/

          Copper-colored vegetables: French beans, cucumbers, and samphires were often colored green with copper. This could have fatal consequences.

          Beer: Brewers added substances like copperas, quassia, liquorice juice, and Nux vomica to make beer bitter.

          Wine: The wine industry was affected by the Phylloxera epidemic, which destroyed a large proportion of vines. In response, wine adulteration increased.

          Confectionery: Arsenic and mercury compounds were used as colorants.

          Mustard: Lead chromate was added to mustard.

          Meat: Animal health became a concern as meat consumption increased.

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            Many thanks for the links, was interesting.

            Just by the existence of food standards laws, we know that there must have been food standards problems. Stuff like mayonnaise composition being put into law, must mean that there had been a mayonnaise quality problem or worries at a certain point in time, I just can’t find any specific info on when or what. Those scandals were probably recorded just as well in the news papers of my small country, but if no one writes a new article or paper about the scandal 50+ years after it happened, then that info won’t turn up in an internet search query.

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    Decades upon decades of progress are going to be gone by the end of this.

    We’ll spend the rest of our lives living in a system slowly being rebuilt, if we even get that lucky.

    There goes our futures. And we voted for it.

    Truly a shit nation full of shit people.

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      The wounds are too deep for rebuilding, imo. Even if we do get the chance, there’s just not enough Band-Aids, political will, and time in four years for the democrats to repair it. We’re facing the complete implosion of our federal government and its legitimacy along with it.

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        The worst part is that there’s not enough of an organized opposition to stop it, or even really slow it down. Neither major political party acts in favor of the people; major news outlets and social networking tools are owned by billionaires; a sizeable chunk of the country is perfectly OK with getting ratfucked so long as José next door gets it worse. We aren’t facing the implosion of the USA into a TechnoFascist Hellscape, we’re LIVING IT.

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          Then be the political organization. Call your elected official. Meet with your local advocacy group or non profit. They are organizing you just have to find them.

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      B-bu-but grandstanding uncommitted Jill Steiners told me not to worry and they’re all the same though!!?

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      Yes, but the libruls made them do this, because woke/dei/crt and the trans. The amount of actual TDS (transphobic derangement syndrome) out there is something to behold.

      The crazies are obsessed with trans and other bullshit that has no impact on their lives (b-roll of migrant caravans, poor people living high on the hog on steak and lobster, etc) that they are completely willing to end democracy over it. Not even fucking kidding. It’s one thing when you see the elites saying democracy is over, it needs to be shunted aside so they can rule, it’s quite another when they have convinced a lot of stupid peasants to say the same kind of shit. As if the peasants’ lives won’t be remarkably worse under what the elites have planned…

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      Imagine us growing up at the peak of civilization (1999, per the Matrix) and not knowing it.

      Now we’re going back to the 1800s with robber barons and 20 hour/7day workweeks.

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      Most of them are just caught in the gears of history. It’s not as if voting was ever mandatory or generally made available to the working class.

      But yes, a nation asleep at the wheel for the most part. It’s such a pity.

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      Probably okay honestly. IP isn’t as strong of a barrier as the infrastructure to build the product. And he has both a car factory and a rocket factory. Twitter is the only thing that might annoy him but it’s already being cloned so there’s very little there to protect anyway.

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    In my experience, if you have a boss that bitches about OSHA and how they’re totally unnecessary, you’ve got a shitty boss. I’m talking the kind that would get you killed to save a nickel and then go on about how they’re the real victims of you going and getting yourself killed like that.

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      Yeah, as someone who has to design around Osha, I fucking love them. It’s incredibly convenient to have “safe enough” written down and with requirements that I can tell the money people I’m professionally obligated to not knowingly contribute to bypassing. And the recommendations are great, “we won’t stop you, but if you get sued you’re at fault” is excellent.

      Without this, employees will still get hurt, they’ll still sue in accordance with the employers legislatively maneat3e requirement to maintain a safe working environment, but now without chevron and without Osha recommendations and requirements I have no idea what the judge will decide. And furthermore I don’t have a handy guide to safe enough. And without that I’m left grappling with management and my conscience and my limited knowledge of something related to but not fully my field.

      I feel the same about the EPA. These regulatory bodies are great reference tools to obligations that remain.

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    If industrialists can pollute wherever they want, we should be allowed to live wherever we want. Private property is just a regulation at the end of the day.

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      He’s starting with planes, but next he’ll be crashing rockets in your backyard and charge you for the cleanup.

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      But that was the fault of the DEI - the secret shadow government responsible for all things you don’t like.

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    Remember that we’re not allowed to call for violence, but it’s okay when Elon does things like this, because allowing industry to poison whole towns isn’t violence, it’s just capitalism.

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      Sharing the names of Musk’s helpers? Not okay.

      Letting nuclear plants operate in a way that risks big swaths of the country uninhabitable? Totally cool.

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    My power company fucked up my autopay, they then preceeded to not tell me, then they shut off my power without a note or an in person heads up, leaving it indistinguishable from a regular outage until it was dark and my neighbors lights turned on and their billing department was closed for the night. In February.

    I’m saying this because all this was illegal thanks to regulations. I reported it to the government because it was danger, irresponsible, and a dick move. I think a lot of people think of regulations as stuff like wheelchair ramps and no knowingly giving entire towns cancer, but it’s also shit like this, that you have to tell people that you shut off their power for non-payment and warn them before you do so they don’t have to spend a night eating takeout by candlelight for no reason.

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    Side note, Im still not buying this “Worlds richest man” Label.

    I believe that title still belongs to Vladimir Putin. his wealth is not published though. He Robbed a vast nation blind to the point that he is a living god in Russia.

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        I think its less of a master giving orders to a dog dynamic, and More of a “I’ll have mine, you have yours” dynamic.

        I still dont know if they are fucking crazy enough to try it. but this is whats in the back of my mind with this aggressive and jingoistic rhetoric against Canada, the EU, and Ukraine.

        America may have stepped down from the stage of the Free world, and the Free world may very well be finished. but whats left of it still has nuclear weapons.

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      He mostly lives off debt with tesla being the collateral. Of tesla shares tank hes going to get margin called so to speak

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      I’ve been reading for 20+ years that the real richest in the world are oil barons in the middle east. I believe a few people are projected to have up to a trillion dollars in assets/wealth etc, but they aren’t celebs or post about it via publicly traded organisations etc.

      Who knows though

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        I mean the House of Saud is worth over a trillion dollars I believe.

        Putin could also easily have over a trillion dollars in assets, but they’d obviously be hidden. Does he? We’ll never know.

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      If that’s how Putin got rich, Elon is soon to catch up

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    immigration policies are federal regulations on the labor market. i say we open the borders