It’s impossible to work 3000 hours of overtime in a year. This is fraud. If that person is actually working those hours, then it’s incompetence by the Sergeant above them allowing them to work that many overtime hours for no reason.
14.47 hour days to the maximum legal amount of days before days off. And working on holidays is time and a half or double time by default as well. Could be done. Not good, but not fraud.
The trick I read before is to arrest someone at the end of your shift, then you have to process them at overtime and possibly wait for a judge or something. They know the tricks to draw it out.
Of course why didn’t I think of arresting someone just to get overtime? Probably because I’m not a fucking psychopath
Sorry to inform you but your application to the police academy has been denied
The system is absolutely fucked. My mother, years ago, had just recently given birth to my youngest sister. She was pulled over with a suspended license. She didn’t know she had unpaid parking tickets. The cop was gonna let her go until backup stopped by (why this cop needed backup for a car that had two small women and baby is suspect). One of the backup cops was vehement on arresting my mom, her newborn be damned. The first cop explained that they get a $250.00 bonus for any arrests made. He tried and tried to convince the second cop not to arrest but said cop did not care in the slightest about separating a newborn from our mom. My mother spent the night in jail because that second cop only saw dollar signs looking at her.
It’s absolutely disgusting that they have financial incentive to put people through hell.
True heroes, these rich cops. Not like schoolteachers, who are suspicious villains and possibly freeloaders, am I right?
*sigh
Not incentivizing our teachers/academics/social workers but highly incentivizing cops is going to devastate our country’s output soon.
De-educating the populace has been a plan for decades. This is nothing new.
The problem is not getting paid overtime for time spent working wtf. The problem is being the fucking worst??
3000 hours OT would mean over 5000 hours worked or 14 hours every damn day of the year.
#doubt
Even if true, that’s terrible management from a budgetary view (they could hire a second person for less cost) and an operations view (stretching a “high stress” position very thin).
Gotta be something where their contract lets them game the system. Picking up extra time if someone calls out sick on a holiday night or something. Probably got a “cartel” going where officers group up to trade and manipulate schedules in order to maximize pay.
TBF, I know people that don’t “cartel the system,” but do find ways to do OT on holiday and leave to get something like 5x hours, but that still is only 50-100 extra hours…not 3000…
It’s completely indicative of fraud.
terrible management from a budgetary view? are you kidding? where are we supposed to spend all this money? feeding the poor? housing people? if we do that, where will the cops find the resources to arrest people for feeding the the poor and also shoot the homeless? they work so hard.
You are joking but just hiring more cops would be cheaper
it’s not though. cops keep getting more budget than they can use, so instead they militarize and use their toys on innocent people during crackdowns
Sure whatever. That’s not what’s being discussed here though.
It would be cheaper for them to hire additional staff instead of paying for overtime. What they would do with the saved money is another matter. They could have bought tanks to oppress the orphans or they could’ve bought magical Linux unicorns for the children of Gaza.
It doesn’t matter, the point is that paying that much for overtime is more expensive than hiring an additional cop or two.
They are almost certainly not actually working that much though. Look up the recent Massachusetts state police overtime scandal.
Think about a surgeon. We put peoples lives in their hands. We expect them to be preposterously educated, able to perform extreme tasks under significant duress, to maintain ongoing technical and specialized training, to prove that the training is effective, and they are compensated accordingly. If they fuck up, they can be held personally liable for their fuck ups. There are consequences to the career and its not a role to be taken on lightly.
Hear me out.
We raise the amount we pay cops to 1.5 million dollars a year… but.
No qualified immunity. It no longer exists (guess what? it already doesn’t exist for military service members). Any crimes they commit, the consequences are 10x’d and they are no longer allowed to engage in public service, ever. They can be publicly executed for any crimes beyond misdemeanor. They have to pay for their own equipment. They have to carry liability insurance for any violations of civil rights which might occur in the line of performing their duties.
The minimum qualification is a PhD in constitutional law. They need to be able to run a 6 minute mile, do 100 push ups in 2 minutes, 200 sit ups in 2 minutes, and 80 burpees in 2 minutes. They need to be able to carry 120 lbs for 10 minutes up an incline. They need to be able to recite the US Constitution, the state constitution, and the local city and county charters where they are stationed. They are expected to have advanced knowledge of any and all laws they are expected to be enforcing. They have to undergo annual psychological, physical, technical, and legal reassessments to prove their suitability for the job; these reassessments are maintained as a part of public record.
We 10x the pay and we hire 1/10th the number of cops. It becomes a career path somewhere between than a doctor or a lawyer or an astronaut. Its not something a HS drop out should be able to consider as a career path.
Look, obviously, hyperbole. Or is it?
What about this, instead we just take that 1.5 mill a year and put it towards things that actual solve problems, rather than making sure we have the best and brights super soldiers doing traffic stops and taking notes on your break in.
Since we’re engaging in fantasy, sure.
But I think you’ll find no matter what you do, some version of a person whose role in society is to enforce the laws, a kind of “law enforcement”, emerges.
The properties of that role can vary widely from society to society, but pretty much every society independently comes to the same conclusion, that the role is necessary, once the society determines a common and well structured code of conduct is necessary.
100% abolish the police. They are a corrupt institution which finds their roots in re-enforcing a slave culture. 100% let every prisoner free. The roots of the prison system in the US are the same as the police state.
But countries with no history of slavery have police forces and prison systems. They are an emergent property of large social systems. Society will re-invent the role. We might as well fill the niche in a manner we want, instead of a manner we dont want.
But countries with no history of slavery have police forces and prison systems. They are an emergent property of large social systems. Society will re-invent the role. We might as well fill the niche in a manner we want, instead of a manner we dont want.
I mean yeah, if you don’t have means of enforcing law, the law becomes pointless, might as well abolish all laws.
And I mean that MIGHT be possible, but do we really want to test what it’d be like in a lawless society where it’s probably going to be money and violence that decides who’s right, kinda like now, but with no possibility of suing the people with money or violence, you could only respond with your own violence.
The idea that things devolve into a lawless society because a lack of police is absurdist reductionism.
Firstly, we already live in a lawless society; see any of the actions Trump has taken since January. Its just a matter of “for whom does the law apply?”
Second, and I posted this to your other response, the idea that we can’t “abolish a police department and rebuild it into something that serves its intended purpose” is also absurdist, in at least that we have the counter-factual of it actually happening: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/12/camden-policing-reforms-313750
So they didn’t abolish the police, they reformed it. That doesn’t disprove my statement, which in itself was not a shot at you, merely commentary on what you said.
You said
They are an emergent property of large social systems. Society will re-invent the role. We might as well fill the niche in a manner we want, instead of a manner we dont want.
And I don’t disagree, I merely stated that police of some sort, regardless of name, is not just an emergent property, but also a necessity. I never said that the way Americans do policing is THE way to do it. I’m not American myself.
Firstly, we already live in a lawless society; see any of the actions Trump has taken since January. Its just a matter of “for whom does the law apply?”
That’s more an America problem than a “police is inherently bad” problem if you ask me.
TL;DR: Yes, I agree, policing in the US needs heavy reforms. But the moment you go around saying “abolish the police”, you’re not talking about reforms, or at least that’s not what most people are going to hear. They’re going to think they’re going to have to live in The Purge. So maybe stop referring to it that way and people will give your ideas, which are actually good, more consideration.
No. The abolished it. They didn’t reform it. They abolished it.
But the moment you go around saying “abolish the police”, you’re not talking about reforms, or at least that’s not what most people are going to hear.
Stop it.
Don’t both misinterpret what I said and then put words I didn’t put down into my mouth. If your balls shrink into your chest when you hear “abolish the police”, thats a you problem. Likewise, if you are basing your decision making on “what most people want to hear”, you probably are both a) not an effective strategist, and even further b) not a very good person.
Abolish the police. If you can’t do that, de-fund them. Tip-toeing around the sensitivities of a deeply immoral people isn’t a strategy that gets results. It only gets you halfway to no-where.
They still have a police mate. The city one was dissolved on the same day the county one started operations. There was not a day without police.
Likewise, if you are basing your decision making on “what most people want to hear”, you probably are both a) not an effective strategist, and even further b) not a very good person.
Maybe a better salesman than you though. Not that I’m a salesman at all.
You’re selling a nice system, but calling it total mayhem and anarchy. Nobody’s gonna want to buy it.
You seem to forget that people have to vote for things to happen. In a democratic system, anyway. If you want people to vote for police reform, call it police reform, not police abolishment. People read headlines, not articles. Most people read that a candidate is for police abolishment, it’s an immediate nope for them. People don’t want to live in a lawless society and nobody’s gonna read into what the candidate says they mean by abolishment.
This is the way. I can’t tell you how much it hurts me when I see an obese cop.
Practicality-wise though, if the police have recruitment issues now though, finding recruits with a PhD will be impossible. People really overestimate how many PhD’s are out here in the wild.
1.5 million dollars a year.
police preferentially dont hire people with that much education on purpose.
Cops be living in the 60s:
- Has a low skill job
- Earns enough to buy a house and feed the famiky on a single income
- Easily get away with murder
- Twice as easy if it was a black person
- Easy access to drugs
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Okay, fuck it, I’m getting out of this software engineering thing, I’m moving to the US to become a cop. I think I’m white enough for Trump, definitely whiter than he is.
I’ve eaten oranges whiter than he is
Here’s a test for you:
There’s a chunk of cash in an envelope. Do you take it?A non white person could be close by at any moment, are you fearing for your life?
You’re walking outside and you hear a dog bark in the distance. Are you shooting wildly in the basic direction of the sounds?
You’ve just killed an innocent person and been given a
paid holidaywhoops, I mean ‘suspension’, where would you like to go?Hmm… If I find the envelope, yes. If someone is handing it to me as a bribe, no.
No
No
Hawaii maybe? Weather seems nice, same for the nature. Nice place to get your thoughts off murder.
Unfortunately you aren’t corrupt enough to become a cop, sorry.
Oh no!
This would be very funny if it weren’t true.
For some reason my lemmy app glitched as I was scrolling and I was seeing this title above This post
That “No Tax on Overtime” pitch makes perfect sense now.
Yes especially when Project 2025 also wants to reclassify what counts as overtime hours to make it unachievable for most.
No wonder that cop in Parks & Recreation moved to San Diego.
Paypigs
Since you can be ‘too smart’ to be a cop, can we get them to remove the america’s finest from their cars and gear? Clearly that is no longer the case.
remove the america’s finest from their cars
They didnt say what they are the finest at. They seem to be the “finest” at getting paid.
