Armed guard members will carry the type of weapon they are normally issued and trained on, typically M17 handguns and M4 semiautomatic rifles, similar to assault-style rifles, the Defense Department officials said. Some guard members will carry M9 pistols.
The military weapons are similar to those used by local police departments across the United States. The M4 is a standard semiautomatic rifle and has roughly the same capabilities as semiautomatic rifles used by law enforcement agencies.
Completely incorrect. NBC is clearly trying to downplay the seriousness of this. M4 rifles are not assault “style”. They are assault rifles, fullstop. The M4, and other assault rifles, are not legal for civilian use. They have full automatic or burst fire capability, depending on the specific model.
The weapons these soldiers are carrying are not AR-15s. These are not “assault weapons”. These are weapons of war. They are not for civilian hunters or shooting competitions. They are for killing human beings.
Under the rules of engagement, deadly force is authorized only “upon reasonable belief of an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm,” one of the defense officials said.
So, they strip you of your constitution rights and if you show anything other than submissiveness, that will be enough for them to feel threatened.
If you attack someone aggressively enough, there’s a probability they’ll instinctively fight back—and fighting back could cause serious bodily harm to the attacker.
So as soon as you decide to attack an unsuspecting person, you could conclude that there’s an immanent risk of bodily harm to yourself before they’ve even reacted.
I don’t care what weapons they have, they ARE NOT TO BE USED AGAINST AMERICANS. The constitution is very clear on this, but the administration hates the constitution. Plain and simple these troops being sent out are illegal orders and hopefully the servicemen and women obey their oath to the constitution and do not report for duty.
If I’m not mistaken, the M17 is military name for the SIG P320… the one that likes to go bang whenever it feels like it, regardless of what the person holding (or not holding) it wants.
That’s fine… This is fine.
P320 is M17, shorter barrel is named M18. I suspect that just like USAF, the NGs use mostly M18 which were cleared from possible malfunctions except that they wear down from use too quickly for heavy use.
These guys play military two days a month. I sincerely doubt they’ve checked every single pistol for malfunction. There’s a chance they didn’t even hear about the airman.
Oh I personally still wouldn‘t touch that pistol, but what choice do NGs have? Let‘s hope noone gets hurt
Huh? Is the National Guard issued some special version of the M4 without select fire? Wouldn’t the standard version be automatic? I feel like the term semi automatic is incorrect here.
Also, M4s are AR-15s.
Fully Automatic does should a little more aggressive, as it is much more aggressive. Can’t have facts in the media anymore.
Can someone explain to me who these people are? What were they doing before they’ve been ordered to DC? Are they a standing army, training while they’re not ordered somewhere? Or are they reservists? Or police from elsewhere?
Basically reservists, the National Guard is brought up under control of the states/feds for emergencies/disasters. Generally you’d see them building flood levees or rescuing people in hurricanes or (occasionally) shooting college students in the '70s. They’re not really designed for peace time occupation but the admin’s gotta find jack boots somewhere.
I want to know if they are being issued ammo.
“Powerful M4”
Just… Like, the M4 is a Carbine. Don’t tell me it’s not an AR-15. That’s like saying a Chrysler Neon is not a Dodge Neon. Most M4s don’t have full auto.
They’re only repeating the technical-sounding terms they have heard over and over again in other news reports about firearms without really understanding what they mean.
And because these reports they’ve based their limited understanding on were majoritarily about gun violence perpetrated with civilian rifles, they don’t understand how to talk about actually military firearms.
These news reporters have downright behaved like generative AI.
The article said the M17 pistol is basically the Sig Sauer P320. Could be entertaining. For those not familiar, the P320 is developing a reputation for unintentional discharges.
I dunno I think an article about the specific guns the guard members are carrying is a little less important than the fact that the guard should NOT BE THERE AT ALL. Every siren that exists should be going off and yet NBC and the rest just don’t give a fuck, they’re like happy about it
Hopefully not that trigger happy Sig 9mm. That fucker is killing more troops than any recent conflict. Blowing dudes balls off.
Sooner or later a flag will be raise with a infamous logo on it in the capital.
Locked and loaded?
NBC is clearly trying to downplay the seriousness of this
To be fair a civilian AR-15 with a $0.50 worth of 3d printed plastic mimicks the rate of fire of full auto while remaining much more controllable.
I’m really not going to be surprised when militaries start using those.
But lots of NG let people use their own rifles now even, even if they’re strict semi-auto.
It’s just not that big of a distinction between AR-15 and M4.
Side note:
Some guard members will carry M9 pistols.
I still hate they tanked Beretta’s contract if they had let them submit a new model it would have dominated. I don’t know what idiot thought there wasn’t a difference between a service sidearm and a concealed carry firearm.
This whole thing is a BS publicity stunt for both sides. Trump wants you to be afraid and distracted, the media wants you to be afraid, the reality is the National Guard isn’t doing jack shit and barely has any presence there.
From mainstream media reports, you would think the National Guard is patrolling DC’s streets, but as you can see in the video above, they’re nowhere to be found. People haven’t even seen them firsthand, it’s all second hand reports of “well, I haven’t seen it. But I HEARD they were seen by others elsewhere”.
This is some horseshit. Nothing we read online is real anymore. They just push out a handful of troops for a quick photo op and then vanish, because the illusion of this happening is more important than if it’s actually happening. Which it’s not.
