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      I hear that’s been an issue of debate in the Vatican since around the 70s and one of the cardinals is very keen on summoning a council to settle it.

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    You shall make no idols to yourselves; and you shall not set up for yourselves graven images, or a memorial pillar. And you shall not set up any image of stone in your land in order to bow down to it. For I am Jehovah your God.

    He went pretty ape shit about the golden cow—as believable any part of that story goes. Catholics seem to be all about idoloc knick-knacks and getting all stabby and controlling over them… Like, the opposite of what a Christian is meant to do.

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      When Luther brought that up it started a global trade/religious war that last over 100 years.

      Ideas are a life and death matter since people are willing to kill over them. Never underestimate the religious, they are as dangerous as they are stupid.

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      I’m a secular person now but as a formally very religious person I know a bad Bible translation when I see it.

      Assuming you a referring to Leviticus 26:1 a better translation from the NIV is:

      Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.

      Given this I can see how Catholics can justify having statues and art and the like.

      In case you don’t like the NIV here is a meta comparison.

      https://biblehub.com/leviticus/26-1.htm

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        Ah, we were taught to avoid the NIV as it was like the Merrium-Webster of translation; a bit more adapted for the modern Pentecost, so obviously it would be lenient compared to traditional translations.

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          You’re not wrong. NIV is very generic. Lol.

          The thing that stands out to me in the translation you have is making idles to yourself. Instead of for yourself. That and using the term Jehovah. Those to me are major pointers to using the NWT, which among the Christian diaspora is seen as less reputable.

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    Something I always love to add to these sorts of threads:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles

    It expresses the view that the current aeonic civilization is that of the Western world, but it claims that the evolution of this society is threatened by the “Magian/Nazarene” influence of the Judeo-Christian religion, which the Order seeks to combat in order to establish a militaristic new social order, which it calls the “Imperium”. According to Order teachings, this is necessary in order for a galactic civilization to form, in which “Aryan” society will colonise the Milky Way.

    It’s beyond heresy.

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      There’s a lot of fantasy settings id like to live in but Warhammer is not one of them especially anything imperium related

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      I want a late 90s RTS portraying galactic battles between the nexions of this lunatics.

      Something like dune2000…

      I imagine a sci fi version of the London’s police and the INDD (Intergalactic Net of Drug Dealers) should also be added as factions

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      It’s beyond heresy.

      Well ok but this ONA has nothing to do with Christianity, they explicitly state it’s a militant Satanic left-hand path occultist network. I mean being Satanic kinda goes hand in hand with heresy.

      As with many other occult organisations, the Order shrouds its history in “mystery and legend”, creating a “mythical narrative” for its origins and development. The ONA claims to be the descendant of pre-Christian pagan traditions which survived the Christianisation of Britain and were passed down from the Middle Ages onward in small groups or “temples”

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        For sure, I totally agree with what you’re saying. I was only using the word in the 40k version where nearly everything is hersasy, not the sensible version of the word youre using.

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    As someone who grew up in a Muslim country, I have to say, Westerners this is some weird shit man. Like, call the police weird. We are supposed to be the barbarians yet you get to have skull thrones and shit? WTF?

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      Dude these sprang from Mesopotamian/Egyptian necropoli. This is a Mediterranean/Middle Eastern tradition springing from Egypt and Summer.

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      The whole point of religion was to keep the psychopaths in control. Sometimes you had to throw them a bone to keep them in line.

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      All the Abrahamic religions are death cults. It’s just as morbid as muslim sects that force women to dress head to toe black robes or w/e. The extremism just becomes part of the scenery when you’re around it, but it’s all objectively bizzare.

      Like think about it, these religions were literally invented by bronze age goat herds who thought the earth was flat and covered by a dome, and people in the modern day still believe in them. It’s literally group insanity.

      It would be like someone who still believes in the greek gods or something.

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        How to say that you have no idea about Abrahamic religions without saying that you have no idea about Abrahamic religions.

        The Bronze Age ended around 1200 BC. 1200 Before Christ. Most of the prophets of the Torah are estimated to have lived around 1000 BC up until Jesus was born. Mohammed s.a.s. lived in the 7th century AD.

        Also if your argument is that something originating in the bronze age is bad, i recommend you to stop using metal tools, eat bread and cultivated fruits. Obviously no beer and while you are at it reject math, astronomy and most of architecture. All stuff originating in the Bronze Age.

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          The Abrahamic religions are based on superstious oral traditions that extend into the bronze age. They are a hodge podge of cults and spiritual traditions that got absorbed as tribes genocided eachother over the millenia. Taking over a conquered group’s pantheon is a regular occurrence throughout history, similar to how the Romans took Christianity and adapted it. There are remnants in the torah/old testament of the stitching together of different polytheistic religious narratives that eventually became the Abrahamic traditions.

          I don’t really care about technical specifics of when any given era of the Abrahamic religions began, believing in invisible skymen is not the same as a material tool or a mathematical proof. It’s a bunch of bullshit stories people told eachother for why the rain fell or why lightning happened, it belongs in the past, there’s no excuse to still believe it now.

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    And I’m supposed to believe people paid good money for a blowie from that face?

    Actually, nevermind, I believe it.

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      I like Martin Luther’s polemic about relics: “How many pieces of the true cross are there in the world? How many thorns from Christ’s crown of thorns? How many nails from the crucifixion? There are enough nails to shoe all the horses in Saxony. And if all the relics of the saints were gathered together, there would be enough bones to build a ship and enough wood to boil all the water in the sea.”

      In that sense it’s one of Mary Magdalene’s many heads.

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        IDK their religion allows straight up substitution magic, they turn wine and crackers into pieces of their dead god. Why can’t thorns and pieces of wood turn into the implements that killed him?

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          Martin Luther had an extremely finite of fucks to give. Despite not sharing his beliefs, I respect the man for upturning 1500yr of status quo.