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      If it weren’t for Hillary and the DNC being corrupt, Bernie would have destroyed trump in 2016. I know so many people where I was living in middle America that flipped from Bernie to Trump.

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        Alright but Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders in the Primary Elections, so the “corruption” you’re referring to is like 30 Million People.

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          Yes, because of the “super” delegates which was like 20 people who can automatically outvote the other hundreds of delegates.

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            It was real close except for the millions more people who voted for Hillary.

            Edit: sorry for the transparency making it hard to read on dark modes.

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      I’d step back onto the streets with Bernie at the head again. A small part of me still holds that hope from 2016.

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        So many fucking years ago. Ended any passion I had towards politics.

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          Yeah… it’s hard. If it wasn’t for my student loans I’d only have about $4000 in leftover reoccurring bills outside of the usual living expenses such as rent and utilities today. Back then I donated more to a campaign than I have donated before or since combined for anything I worked hard. Talked to everyone. Helped found a subreddit for election and voting protection through information. I even went to local watch parties.

          I think we are ready for that again. Many of us would stand and fight with Bernie, Jon Stewart, AOC. Most of us who were a part of that understand why people chose to not vote for the status quo. But man, fuck, it’s tiring feeling so disjointed and at best loosely aligned.

          We need a community.

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      The others can read the room too; they’re just in an entirely different room.

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    Mass movements can do lots of things, but we can’t even get a majority of people to vote…

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      We can get a majority of those that do vote to vote for Trump so I am not that hopeful.

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      Because people don’t feel represented in the current FPTP voting-system, which to be fair, was designed by wealthy romans to benefit wealthy romans.

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      As it turns out, you only need like around 5% of the population to start a revolution (if even that amount). Revolutions have been started with even fractions of a percent.

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    We’ve had several mass movements about it over the past 15~20 years, the only thing that has worked so far is lead poisoning.

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      What’s easier, motivating hundreds of thousands of people to get out and protest, or letting a few moderately motivated people take direct action?

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    It can’t be Democrats or republicans, those both are cunts.

    Need to support a new party.

    Is “working families” legit?

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      Sadly I dont see a third party ever being the solution due to our first past the post political system. We need election reform for a third party to exist, and those 2 cunts you mentioned would NEVER allow election reform to happen on their watch.

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        So why not start right now? Not 3 months before elections, now.

        Create a web platform and organize. Idea is - to create a “troll” factory but not for trolling , but rather for propagandizing the cause. Let’s say you have 10000 accounts army you can then direct on pushing the news and ideas we want and candidates we want.

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          So If i am understanding correctly. You want to use bots to spread propaganda to influence politics? The problem is that congress is going to vote how their donors tell them to vote, they don’t give a fuck what their voter base wants. You would also be competing against exactly what you are suggesting, giant capitalist media companies, and bot armies from hostile nation states. You just cant compete with their resources in spreading propaganda.

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          It always cracks me up how the passive aggressive person saying “lets just give up then!” when one roadblock in a plan is pointed out, is generally the only person giving up. Oh no, the idea I wanted doesn’t work, guess were all out of options.

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            Let me rephrase your comment for you.

            “We can’t go third party without election reform. Also election reform is impossible.”

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              Yeah I know what I said, as I was the one who said it, but since subtlety is clearly lost on you… Corruption through capitalist money has captured the government. Nothing is going to change in America without a revolution, otherwise we will continue to barrel fullsteam towards global financial collapse, or world war. If you’re interested please shoot me any way you think the system can be fixed without some sort of large violent upheaval and ill described 3 ways in which the system is already securely rigged against it. Ill give you reason #1 as a freebie since it applies to any route you may suggest: they have become way too good at pitting us against each other over wedge issues about shit that doesn’t affect us, so we just accept voting for things based on social issues, and as such we can never vote on real issues.

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    But when I say the same solution I get banned from communities for being a “coward” and “copaganda.”

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      I think if Bernie suggested murdering all the CEOs he’d get banned from his communities, though.

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        I don’t think such things have ever or will ever stop Bernie Sanders from speaking his mind.