No names, no unit numbers, no way to definitively recognize any given individual at a glance?
So… hypothetically… someone who’s not part of one of the active units, but who has the uniform, the ability to act the part, and the information required to make it happen, might be able to blend in with the oppressors during a military operation? Hmm.
o but pfft don’t listen to me. I’m just a wild-talking stoner with ADHD
#stonerthoughts #hypothetical #justgirlythings #lol
This comment is a delight.
Fuck’s sake
Same thing they did when beating up and shooting BLM.
Edit: It’a really hard to find any report on the events during the BLM protests. I distinctly remember many mentions of the LEOs involved in shooting “rubber bullets” at protesters and beating them not having any identifying information on them. No names, no agency tags, nothing.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/law-enforcement-badges-protests/index.html
Not enough shame even so
Hey gang, I’m very closely related to this field and wanted to share some insight into this!
This is VERY COMMON practice for these situations. The idea is not to cover up inhumane tactics, but protect our personnel. While I’m sure a majority of these individuals are simple illegal immigrants who have no ill intentions, there are criminal gangs being caught up in this. Not the entire gang is being picked up, just the illegal immigrants. So the policy of removing identification from the uniforms is to protect the military member and their family.
These commands come from the highest level, meaning each individual service member is not making the decision for themselves, but they are being commanded as a whole. Much as some might not like the connotations associated with this, it is a common practice and relevant due to the stated purpose of these missions.
This is VERY COMMON practice for these situations.
Maybe it shouldn’t be. You know, what with accountability being a thing that people should be held to…
Should an airman’s family be targeted by cartels because they flew cartel members back to their home nation?
That’s a good point.
Maybe we shouldn’t have them do that in the first place either and if there are dangerous cartel members in the U.S., they can be put in U.S. prisons.
And after serving prison times what do we do? Most nations kick you out after you serve time in prison for serious crimes. How do you send them home?
Last I checked, planes not run by the Air Force flew to pretty much every country on the planet. Also, there are boats. And if we’re talking the Americas, cars and trucks.
And if they have served their time, why do they need to be deported in a military plane?
Do we deport criminals housed in prisons for being dangerous people using commercial carriers?
They are being permanently exiled for their crimes why would ypu compromise that by letting them wander free?
I see. You think we should continue to treat former prisoners like prisoners even though they’ve served their sentence.
How very American of you.
Not wearing nametapes has been a thing for decades, long before Trump was president.
Maybe it shouldn’t be. You know, what with accountability being a thing that people should be held to…
I think the main problem people are having is that they are being used to enforce domestic policy within the United States, which is not normal at all and is arguably illegal.
Ok so you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. There are a lot of people in OPs image but only 4 are Air Force personnel, see if you can spot them.
That would probably be a lot easier if they didn’t remove all of their patches. Huh…
Not really considering they’re wearing multicams.
Oh right, I forgot that if you are in the Air Force, that is the only possible way you can dress at all times. Never does anyone in the Air Force ever wear anything other than that.
There are a lot of people in OPs image but only 4 are Air Force personnel, see if you can spot them.
What does the percent of people in the picture being in the service have to do with anything…? We’re talking about federal military members being ordered by the executive to enforce domestic policy, which is illegal.
Are you purposely being obtuse, or are you really this dumb?
And yes, I can spot the Air Force personnel… I’ve spent 18 years living on AFB all over the country and abroad, my dad was a SMSgt.
We’re talking about federal military members being ordered by the executive to enforce domestic policy, which is illegal.
The Air Force is not enforcing domestic policy here. If you see Airman out on the streets arresting people then you’d have a point. That’s why I mentioned the 6 agents. The USAF is providing logistical support (yes they bring their own security too, the 4 in multicams).
If you disagree please look it up yourself.
The Air Force is not enforcing domestic policy here. If you see Airman out on the streets arresting people then you’d have a point.
I don’t think you have any kind of authority to really substantiate that particular semantic dispute.
I’m sure we’ll probably see it brought before a court at some point, but I would argue that if the policy isn’t possible to execute without the logistical support of the military then the military is crucial to the enforcement of the policy.
This is VERY COMMON practice for these situations.
No, no it’s not. Maybe when operating in dangerous missions while deployed overseas… While working on American soil? No.
None of the other branches being ordered to do similarly sketchy quasi unconstitutional work have removed their identifiers, none of the other branches have opted to classify the work they are doing.
The Air Force has a pretty well known history of racism, rape, and Christian nationalist in their command structure. Out of all the branches it doesn’t surprise me at all that the Air Force is the branch falling over itself to follow trump’s orders.
No, no it’s not.
Yes it is, those are Fly Away Security Teams (FAST) or Ravens. Go look it up, 95% of the official Air Force photos of FAST/Raven show people without nametapes, example taken from here.
Furthermore:
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I can just take my top off if it’s not too hot. My t-shirt does not have a nametape
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I can just buy a nametape that says “Smith” or something common and you wouldn’t know the difference.
And how often are they operating on American soil…?
24/7
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878, by President Rutherford B. Hayes that limits the powers of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.
Possie Comitatus has nothing to do with aircraft security.
Who said anything about aircraft security…?
They are being ordered to enforce domestic policy on us soil, which is exactly what the law is made to prevent.
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Out of all the branches it doesn’t surprise me at all that the Air Force is the branch falling over itself to follow trump’s orders.
I’m not sure how you can imply that you’re familiar with how the military operates and then say something as ignorant as this.
All branches of the military “fall over themselves” to follow the orders of the President. That’s literally how the chain of command works.
Be upset at Trump for assigning shit missions, but it’s incredibly ignorant to attack any specific branch of the military for following lawful orders.
What do you picture the alternative to be? That some Airman should get himself court marshalled for refusing the order to remove his name and unit patch?
Could you explain how transporting people to their country of origin is an illegal order?
Or, maybe explain how you would handle the order as an enlisted soldier?
Be upset at Trump for assigning shit missions, but it’s incredibly ignorant to attack any specific branch of the military for following lawful orders.
They are going above and beyond the assignment of the mission. As I said, the other branches have received similar orders but have made what they are doing public, and have not decided to operate anonymously.
That some Airman should get himself court marshalled for refusing the order to remove his name and unit patch?
Did I criticize the airman? No, I specifically criticized their command.
Could you explain how transporting people to their country of origin is an illegal order?
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878, by President Rutherford B. Hayes that limits the powers of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.
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What is brownshirt?
Courtmarshall is probably not what you want in this. That’s specific to the UCMJ, which would discipline them for NOT removing identifiers. You probably want them to go through civilian courts if that’s your goal. Which probably means you’re thankful for Trump’s push for increased executions.
What is brownshirt?
People like you are why we’re repeating history
Thank you for sharing your perspective and informing us that cowardly evasion of accountability in the execution of inhumane operations is a common practice in the service. Some folks out there might not have suspected this already.
They’re just rounding up the dangerous Jews, I mean illegal immigrants. Everybody relax.
We’re just trying to hide our identity while committing crimes acting on orders from the Criminal in Chief because all of our white robes and hoods turned pink due to a MAGA cap that somehow ended up in the wash.
Got it.
Fly Away Security Teams/Ravens haven’t been wearing nametapes for decades, this is nothing new.
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Seriously, what is a brownshirt?
Why would you post this comment multiple times instead of googling it? 🦭🦭🦭
It boggles my mind you are military adjacent and do not know this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
I’m not very good with history. I know the broad strokes, but I’ve forgotten a lot of this kind of history. It hasn’t been relevant in my line of work, so doesn’t get easily remembered.
That link does explain the reference, though, thank you!
to clarify you are saying this is is so a random airman’s kids aren’t targeted by the cartels because they flew some cartel members back?
That’s the general idea, yes.
That makes sense
I’m far more concerned with the safety of people trying to survive than the bullies holding guns
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This is what they say about riot police in oppressive regimes, about prison personnel, about people from special agencies doing surveillance and even arrests.
I think you can see where I’m going. Removing identification is more harmful than the threat to “the military member and their family”.
