Roughly $11.1 trillion has been wiped away from the U.S. stock market since Jan. 17, the Friday before President Donald Trump took the oath of office and began his second term, according to data from Dow Jones Market Data.

Some $6.6 trillion of that figure was lost on Thursday and Friday alone — the largest two-day wipeout of shareholder value on record, Dow Jones data showed.

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    I’m 41 years old, I’ll be 42 in a few weeks, I’m getting really tired of living through these “once in a lifetime events” every 24-48hrs.

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    You can’t really use past market events as a reference for anything happening now. The global system is completely different and changing very fast. The longer term implications here are that the U.S. Govt has been out of money for a while and there is a ton of upcoming debt to issue. Part of the response to this is to fund the Govt using tariffs, and begin shrinking the deficit by using the economic problems and the total debt to justify it. They are trying to avoid a debt crisis where there is more debt being issued than buyers. The problem is that this time, with other options existing for capital than Treasuries, which given the circumstances, the old idea that people run to Govt debt when the markets crash for safety just might not hold up this time. The end result is that they haven’t solved anything, and in fact made the upcoming debt crisis much worse. What’s more is that the old reserve currency dollar system being replaced will accelerate now as trade is forced to route around the U.S. There are so many second order effects here too, all of this will kick off a justification to privatize everything and have the private sector jump in to save and replace Govt functions. What they have wanted to do all along anyway, and given the current political climate will mirror the oligarchs taking over Govt functions after the collapse of the USSR. This is just more of a controlled demolition.

    Sorry for the wall of text. Also, a bretton woods style agreement will be necessary, it’s just that there is no single world power strong enough to enforce one. The futures for Monday look pretty bad too, and there are so many unresolved problems since 2008 that could blow up one after another once all the liquidity is removed and there is no one willing to purchase all the upcoming debt.

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    We’re entering Once in a Lifetime Recession #5. Buckle up folks. The feds up shits creek and has been since COVID, so no cash bailouts are coming anytime soon. This should be a fun one!

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      I know your right in saying people vote like Trump was the conservative, but Harris was really the conservative. Trump was the populist autocratic. thinking the GOP is the conservative party is crazy to me. They haven’t been in a long ass time. You want status quo and security for your money and livelyhood? Don’t vote for the populist who has ‘‘ideas’’ about how the country should REALLY be ran.

      That’s how you get Pol Pot shutting down food imports because he wanted higher domestic food production, you know BEFORE they could make enough food to feed everyone without the imports. All the other autocrat or populist that instantly rammed a country into the ground also had a cult that made them entirely delusional.

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        That’s how you get Pol Pot shutting down food imports because he wanted higher domestic food production, you know BEFORE they could make enough food to feed everyone without the imports.

        This really is exactly what trump is doing. He’s slinging tariffs around like that will spur US industries (and as a petty attempt at being a strongman) and farming but giving those industries zero lead time, and on top of that, the tariffs he imposed are going to affect all of the materials and machinery those industries would need to ramp up their production. And on true insulated tyrant fashion he just makes a declaration and then it’s everyone else’s problem to deal with.

        Dude’s a fucking idiot.

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        Amen you right. America is so far right wing, thats why any small help for the common worker or man they all scream socialism or communism.

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      It was projection once again. It turns out being anti-woke is indeed the path to poverty

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          Lose 75 out of a 100 billion? Still plenty of money to consolidate failing businesses and buy real estate for cheap.

          Can’t afford it? Too big to fail, government loans and bailouts.

          This has happened before and the wealthy just get more in the end.

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    Amazing how every time the Republicans get majority control of things the markets go to shit. The faster they work to dismantle what democratic control of something exists the faster it falls apart.

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      I mean, to be fair, most of the genocide already happened before election day under Biden, but yes, there will definitely be more as long as the AIPAC bribes keep flowing-- and no one is talking about shutting those down. I believe the last person (JFK) to try to deal with this by relisting AIPAC as a foreign agency was assassinated shortly afterward. RFK also tried and he was also killed.

      Which is nothing but a coincidence I’m sure, the zionists would never do something like that. And christians in the US are close friends and allies of Israelis, right.

      https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-761490

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        already happened

        Watching the ‘genocide Joe’ crowd cope with the fact they supported the turbo genocide candidate will never not be funny to me (In the grim irony kind of way).

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          The genocide Joe crowd think the Israel/Palestine war started October 2023. They aren’t very smart.

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          I’m always a bit fascinated that theres so few of us that see it this way. The killings definitely happened, the US definitely helped. Seems pretty factual. And yet the pushback on these facts with the US crowd is extreme and seemingly very emotional for the pro zionist crowd-- which is not in line with what the rest of the world thinks.

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          I’m not sure why you refuse to hold him and his administration accountable. Genocide Joe is an apt name for someone that chose to give more importance to genocide then he did to representing his voters and this country in general.

          They sabotaged their own election so Israel can break child death records. He could have simply told Israel to fuck off. I’d rather blame them then normal people that felt conflicted about genocide of all things.

          Holding them accountable is also the only way we get real change.

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        So… “to be fair” what you’re claiming, is that there’s little genocide left for Trump to commit, and then- a bunch of conspiracy theories.

        It’s a damn good thing you people argue so diligently on the side of reality. It really helps drive that batshit insane ideology of yours home.

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          So… “to be fair” what you’re claiming, is that there’s little genocide left for Trump to commit

          Thats a good demonstration of strawmanning. Putting up a contrived BS argument then knocking it down. Come on, can’t you do better than that?
          Thats just lazy.

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            I’m not the one that said it. The onus is on you to state your point in a way that makes sense. And what you said, is that:

            “most of the genocide already happened before election day under Biden.”

            If you want to make a straw man by accusing me of making a straw man, be my guest. But that won’t change the original argument, nor will it change the fact that it seems others agree with me on this.

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              I literally quoted you, and you did not quote me. So now you’re just lying. Time for a username block.

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                Literal quote….

                “I mean, most of the genocide already happened before election day under Biden.”

                • you literally said this. But if it helps to use a more direct and unequivocal approach:

                If you are confused by what you’re seeing, that is a screenshot of your actual words.

                And- blocked or not, I think this needed to be said so that anyone unfortunate enough to have to interact with you, might come across this conversion in an attempt to make sense of… you,

                …and it helps illustrate to them exactly what they’re dealing with.

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      Not exactly sure how one is supposed to transfer one’s 401k to government securities on such a short timescale…

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      Unfortunately I sincerely doubt a lot of them have retirement savings of any significance. There’s a reason Red States are a bigger draw on federal money than Blue States. But if there’s any consolation, once the food prices start hitting again they’ll take notice.

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    Now I know why Trump, during his rally, said people would ask him to stop winning.