• gardylou@lemmy.world
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    I’m against what Israel is doing in Gaza but some small % of protestors are getting legitimately anti-Semetic, but starting to be very aggressive about it in an uncomfortable way, especially with larger authoritarianism at play in the culture.

    I appreciate the president calling that type of shit out personally.

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      They start to infiltrate the protest and aren’t asked to leave or tone it down. It’s not a good look.

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    A core democratic voting constituency

    Y’all keep saying that and then turning out at an underperformance of your share of the national population, nevermind the easy dominating share you could have in the party if y’all would fucking vote!

    Like seriously, Bernie would have been the nominee both times if y’all would have stopped talking about how you’re the base and actually acted as a party base!

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      Some of these campuses are important for purple states. The youth vote in California isn’t horribly important. But the youth vote in Virginia is both important and extant.

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    With a more representative electoral system such as (but not limited to) Ranked Choice voting, people would be free to vote for who best represents them while still counting their vote against those they don’t want in office.

    First Past the post voting makes two political parties a inevitability. It’s just math yall. Let’s fix it together, one state at a time. No need to wait for federal reform. No need to wait to wait till Republicans stop existing. Now.

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    Biden didn’t ask Trump to sell National Security secrets to the Russians.

    Biden didn’t ask Putin to trade those secrets to Iran.

    Biden didn’t ask Iran to use said secrets and launch an attack on Israel to start a war that the U.S. would be forced to support in order to take away resources and attention from Putin’s war in Ukraine.

    But Biden IS a Zionist.

    You can criticize him for his support of Palestinian genocide, and rightly so. But you would be sadly mistaken if you withhold your vote for Biden and allow a Trump Presidency, who would not only continue the Palestinian genocide, but allow a Ukrainian one and a Taiwanese one as well… And perhaps fully and finally bring Totalitarianism to the U.S. since why not, he made it so close on January 6th anyways.

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      Which Iranian attack is this that’s supposed to have started a war to drag in the US? Their most recent attack on Israeli targets was in response to Israel attacking them in a third country, and Israel has been trying to provoke them into a response that would kick off a war the US would get involved with to draw attention from their ongoing genocide in Gaza.

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        The attacks by Iranian backed Hamas against Israel. Sources:

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/israel-hamas/2024/01/30/iran-backed-groups-middle-east/72405584007/

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_support_for_Hamas

        https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-10-10-23/h_8c4e2392d4398a8af723e09392db4494

        Disclaimer: I’m not stating support for one group or another, but the truth is necessary for a good opinion and discussion .

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          If you’re going to say Hamas’ attack was an attempt to draw the US into a war, I think that falls a bit flat. When was the last time the US did anything beyond provide the same sort of aid it currently gives Israel? Especially in light of Iran not giving into Israel’s provocation to attempt kick up a regional conflict that would draw the US in, I think this accusations is lacking.

          If they wanted to draw the US into the conflict, why would they just push for one large attack and then just let Israel steamroll Palestinian territories while demonstrating they can get on with things just fine without the US doing anything but provide the same sort of weapons aid they always have? Why not take the bait with the most recent provocation?

          Besides, even Israeli publications admit that it has been Israeli policy to prop up Hamas, so this smacks even more of propaganda efforts to distract from Israel’s culpability in creating this situation.

          Yes, Iran has provided backing to many of these sorts of groups, but they’re hardly unique in this in the region. Why is trying to kick up a regional conflict when Iran does this, but Israel gets a pass on buying oil from ISIS and aggravating the situation there? Heck, Israel’s past actions in Lebanon helped kick off the founding of Hezbollah when they overstepped what they could get away with under the pretense of chasing Palestinian forces over the border.

          The truth is necessary to arrive at a sound opinion, and Iran are no angels, but there’s far too much handwaving away of Israel’s role in creating the current situation while demonizing Iran with exaggerated capabilities.

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    Regardless i prefer Biden over trump and i will still vote for him. However, I’ll make my voice much louder the second term

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        Not voting is a choice that inherently favors republicans due to how consistent they tend to vote. So vote or not, you’re still supporting one candidate or another.

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      Nobody even brought up Trump, but you.

      That is what is so infuriating to me is that nobody is allowed to criticize Biden at all without Trump being brought up.

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        Yeah, because its unfortunately a choice between those two at this point. Until Biden is re-elected, it will be a constant reminder that its him or a fascist criminal that led an insurrection, even if a particular criticism is valid. This criticism is shit btw, antisemitism is happening and should be called out.

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        I’d like to bring up - a switch in democratic systems of representatives to on called “Open List Proportional Representation” where parties are represented in a proportional mix per the votes they actually won.

        Germany, Scotland, and Japan use such systems. I think it’s a better system but it will probably take a loaded Supreme court and a concerted effort to get through.

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        It’s an election year, Biden being brought up will invoke his competitions name. And people are absolutely using just this topic as a reason to not vote this cycle. They only hurt themselves and everyone else.

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          You act like Biden can literally not capitulate on this. Why does the voice of the voter no longer matter?

          I dont like this trend of demanding votes without having to earn voters. We are creating a culture of zero accountability to the voters.

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    Yeah, Trump is going to be much better on dealing with genocide, but wait I’m just a Biden shill impacted by TDS, it’s the system we live under and it won’t change from the top, encourage ranked choice voting at the local level

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      Trump said he doesn’t give a shit about that war. Just glass the area and be done with it.

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    Biden isn’t the one sending storm troopers onto UT Austin’s campus to crush pro-Palestinian protests, that would be the Republicans, remember on election day that both sides are absolutely not the same, and Trump sure as fuck does not care about Gaza or Palestine, or even Israel really if we’re being honest here. (Well or anything else but himself)

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      Your right, let me just pull up the White House press release where Biden sympathizes with the protestors cause:

      Hmm, not finding one. Wait, I’m sure there is an official Whitehouse press statement condemning the anti-free speech crackdowns like in Austin:

      Oh shit, looks like Biden said dickall about that too. So what did Biden say?

      Over the weekend, the president put out a statement in which he condemned the campus protests for fostering antisemitism. That followed a far harsher statement from a White House aide calling out the protestors for harassing Jewish students. Both statements led anti-Israel protesters and anti-war activists to accuse the White House of being too quick to reprimand just one side of the debate.

      One Columbia student who has been involved in the protests told POLITICO that she and her friends have less faith in Biden “every single day.”

      “I was excited to vote for Biden. I was excited to vote out a fascist from government. And in hindsight, I guess I see that, I was just putting someone who’s a little bit less evil, but evil nonetheless,” said the student, who was granted anonymity because of fear of retribution.

      https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/23/biden-camp-political-fallout-campus-protests-00154000

      The reason is pretty straightforward : Biden is a zionist who doesn’t give an actual fuck about Gaza. He is worried though that it’s hurting him in Michigan. But according to the Biden campaign, young people don’t actually care about the genocide in Gaza so he’s free to ignore it because they’ll still vote for him either way.

      “What is happening in Gaza is not the top issue for [young voters]. It’s not going to be for the vast majority of young voters the thing that’s going to determine whether they vote or how they vote,” said a campaign official working on youth engagement who was granted anonymity to speak about internal thinking. “The reality is that the folks that are organizing, the goal of that organizing is to make it seem that way and to bring that attention to it.”

      Barack Obama rode a wave of backlash to the Iraq War to the dem nomination and then the Whitehouse, largely powered by anti-war college students who not only votes for him, but did the hard work of organizing and volunteering. I know, I was there on the ground. Today’s young people grew up with politicians doing dick all about school shootings they had to live with, doing shit about climate change that they will have to deal with, and now they have genocide being committed in their names. They are pissed. Maybe they mostly will still vote for Biden out of fear of Trump, but your not going to see them organizing and pounding the pavement for Biden. Especially after Biden just dismissed their legitimate concerns and labeled them all antisemetic.

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        “The reality is that the folks that are organizing, the goal of that organizing is to make it seem that way and to bring that attention to it.”

        God this is such a mask off moment. Yes Mr. Biden Campaign official, those protests where people are being arrested and still showing up to protest are all fake. No need to worry about that at all…