Whatever damn fool did this has just made the situation about a million times worse. I don’t give a shit who did this, it was the worst move you could have made at the worst time you could have made it.
And those of you jumping to immediate conspiracy theories need to stop and think about how much we tend to make fun of Republicans for doing literally the exact same thing. Us spending the next 3 days circlejerking each other off our own bullshit conspiracy theories isn’t gonna help the situation, its just gonna make us all look like a bunch of hypocrites. Wait a few days, get whatever info they are willing to give us, and then try to figure out what happened. If it still looks fake or like a false flag or whatever the fuck after that point, whatever. but for gods sake use some critical thinking to get there instead of jumping to conclusions with no info.
For what its worth, I am extremely anti-trump, I am scared shitless of what will happen should he win a second term. But dear god, please think about the way you all are acting, when you act like the same kind of psychopaths you claim to stand against it is not a good look. please consider that before you post.
If insurrections are no big deal I don’t see how assassination attempts are something to get upset about.
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Yeah the conspiracies in this thread are cringe. Is it really such a stretch to think that a very hated individual was the target of a botched assassination? No, can’t be! Must be a false flag!
Everyone needs to calm the fuck down. This was quite clearly real and not staged.
I could not agree more. Aren’t we supposed to be the ones who care about democracy, about humanity, and about logic and reason?
Some innocent bystander died, and their family is going to sleep tonight without their loved one alive for the first time. Others are waiting anxiously in hospitals while their innocent loved ones are in critical condition. Fuck Trump, but no one deserves to have been killed or maimed for being at one of his rallies.
I’m no conspiracy guy… But goddam they sure did take their pick of pictures to release showing a bloody trump with fist up in front of a flag that just happened to be waving there. If nothing else, GOP and FOX will say the libs tried to kill Trump, not ’ the assassin’ tried, but the libs tried. And let the fundraising begin for the GOP
It was a political rally. Those are always done with flags. It was a political rally, there were a bunch of cameras running. Many of which were taking dozens if pictures every second; there wasn’t even anything to release there, the media was the ones taking the video. Of course the most striking image would be the one to catch on, and from watching a video of it, that seems like the obvious moment to take.
It was some fast thinking and good political instinct (although bad survival instinct) to make a photo perfect pose while getting escorted out by secret service.
He was at one of his rallies, which are usually thick with flags. The more likely conclusion is likely the correct one.
Time to get out of this shit hole country?
Should we continually be tolerant of the intolerance that wishes to do violence to us and/or destroy our democracy? I’m not advocating for assassination of anyone, but when something like this happens I’m not surprised, nor do I feel much sympathy for a rapist, fraudster, wife beater, advocate of overturning a legitimate election, child beater, person who dog whistles violence against people who don’t support him…etc.
Yeah, the worst thing is that he’s going to capitalize on this. He will make every effort to use it for his personal gain, and being as reactionary as he is I wouldn’t be surprised if he dog whistled his followers into some violence. I bet he’s glad he got shot. He’s going to milk it for everything it’s worth.
But one thing I am in complete agreement with is making everything a conspiracy. Damn it’s getting old. Epstein, Boeing, this… ridiculous.
Logic and reason? In my social media feed?
Thank you for an actually educated take.
Yup. As much as I hate the GOP and Trump, this is a pretty big Occam’s razor moment.
It fucking blows my mind people jump straight into, “well what if it’s staged.” What does that fucking solve? Questions about answering questions and those people act like they know something or they are more aware than the rest of the world when the big fucking picture is being missed and it is right in front of their fucking face. This only fuels repubs saying, “it was an assassination attempt by the left wing.”
Trump might be the future dictator of the US but this is just far more ammunition for the very guns that just tried to kill him and this is lighter fluid.
This shit is fucking nuts and none of it is good for anyone stop fucking trying to pull the video apart and going, “see see, it’s fake.” It doesn’t fucking matter because the damage is done.
I always like to say to conspiracy theorists. If COVID was started by China prove to me it wasn’t started by the U.S.
Also, two people are dead; one of which is the potential shooter. If it were staged, the shooter got a pretty bad deal.
We’ll only act as psychopaths on day one.
I don’t think this will change a thing. Nobody is changing their vote over this.
It’s just an attempt to incite violence.
Look, I don’t mean to be an ass but if you genuinely don’t think this changes a thing you are a part of the problem.
It doesn’t for Democrat voters. They’re only voting against Trump. This doesn’t change who DT is, his viewpoints, or his past actions. This doesn’t change him being a Felon and a suspected pedophile. All this is an attempt to incite more violence.
Let me present an situation to you:
Trump and his party: “a crazy left wing fucker tried to kill me. Let’s take them Dems down vote repub” and lots of other pushing agendas and statements about Dems being killers.
If you don’t feel like this isn’t more fuel for that then again you are missing the point. This will absolutely shift votes.
How is this going to “shift votes”? How exactly? From who? Who’s really on the fence between the “Old man” and the convicted felon suspected to be a pedophile attempting to become king? No sane person is shifting vote over this and the insane are already vehemently R.
Watch the video. This is a false flag and a lazy one at that. Dude stabbed himself in the ear with a pin, got a group hug on stage and started FIST PUMPING from inside a ring of special service. Head out, fist up, like “HERE I AM. IM NO COWARD”. You know who does that? Actors. Who know the script and have rehearsed the scene.
Wrong.
The amount of folks in here that seem to be okay with someone being assassinated is disgusting. This is not how sane people get things accomplished. Shameful.
I loathe Trump, but man, the hypocrisy in the air is stifling.
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Sanity is a rare resource these days.
Tell it to shinzo Abe.
Wait
Why are people screaming and afraid? Guns are a part of society in America. Unless… they’re dangerous…
The secret service didn’t let anyone but the shooter have a gun, so everyone’s feeling awkward
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I don’t think vote to obscurity can apply here. Trump will always have a platform because he is a living engagement machine and that drives the Internet mad. He wins he’s the top story, he loses he’s the top story, he gets convicted he’s the top story. The man is immortal in the worst way possible and the world is basically f*cked.
I miss the short years where we heard nothing from the piece of shit right after the 2020 election.
Damn. I wish you weren’t exactly right, but you are.
Trump will always have a platform because…
Yeah, but for how many more years? There’s absolutely no way he’d run again if he loses, so it’s really just a short ticking clock.
Nah, this is just want Trumpers want you to believe. He gets attention because he’s genuinely trying to foment a fascist overthrow of the government, not because he’s some media mastermind.
He is a martyr now. And alive. That assassin just killed the country
This is my thought exactly. I have never felt such a somber feeling.
He’s god now. It’s over.
Nobody is changing their vote over this shit. Democrats are pretty entrenched in not Trump. They knew what was at stake this election as soon as Trump stepped back up.
Its more than just the election. Trump is not going to go away if he loses in November.
This is the one possible scenario that could make things even worse. They can’t replace the head of the snake, but they can sure as fuck pump that the head was shot and injured. They did the same with Hitler.
History is repeating itself far to close for this to be comfortable.
That was my first thought too, but then it looks pretty realistic, and he’s a terrible actor…
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Can’t say that’s necessarily true (that last bit). They are sworn in to duty to protect current or past president’s with their life, regardless of personal belief.
My perspective is that the secret service guys are bound to life.
I recalled hearing a couple things over the course of the Jan 6th impeachment hearings, which is the President has some say in who his personal detail is, and that there was some info pertaining to them being supportive of him personally. I’d have to review to be certain though.
I know a couple current and former USSS agents, they’re hardcore trump supporters. That’s not to say they all are as I don’t know them all, but they are law enforcement after all.
This was the worst possible outcome. Unless someone intends on finishing the job it may as well be his election now.
He’ll spend the rest of the election telling people how strong he is, how Biden could not have survived and he’ll use the attack to validate all his claims of Democrat corruption/Republican righteousness.
Doubt it. The people, the actual Democratic voters, not numbers, know what’s at stake, nobody is changing their vote over this, nobody is going to lose votes over this.
I feel like you’re a little out of touch here.
There are hardline Democrats and Republicans who aren’t going to change their positions over anything. There’s also many people who don’t pay close attention to politics and only pick up on big news like this. Those are the people that are going to be influenced unfortunately. These people exist. They are uninformed, easily influenced and they can swing the outcome unfortunately.
Do you actually know those people IRL? People on the fence? I haven’t talked to anyone who hasn’t already had their vote decided. The political climate has been the most divisive in my lifetime, to the point where the people I’ve spoken with IRL are either dug in with Trump or dug in against Trump. This scene doesn’t change Trumps degressive views or awful policies. It doesn’t change Trump from being a Felon or suspected pedophile.
If there are swing voters it’s likely a really small number. At the end of the day the Democrats are dug in on Not Trump, and they have the numbers. They showed up for the last election, and the divisive politics have kept it in their peripheral since. RvW was huge, 2025 has been getting traction. There ain’t many left that don’t have their political compass set.
Why were people Scared? Guns are SAFE! Guns are SO SAFE that they’re trying to FORCE them into Schools! It would be INCREDIBLY FUCKED UP if the same people who RAN AWAY from the Guns want to FORCE OUR KIDS into that Situation EVERY DAY!
It seem like he was hit. Blood was on his right ear in one shot. Unclear if that’s because he was hit there or if he touched it after touching something else bloody.
He was escorted away on foot with secret service.
Edit: reports that one bystander and the shooter are now dead.
Claims the suspect was a man named Mark Violets. (This ID may be wrong no official sources covering this)
Biden condemns the act.
(I hate the source, F this guy) but here’s him being ushered off the stage after… https://x.com/stillgray/status/1812250467071885730
Edit: his base is going to be insanely fired up now. I’m genuinely scared about what’s going to happen now. I can see it already “the deep state tried to stop him and God saved Trump!” ugh.
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He’s a huge pussy.
The biggest. People are always telling him just how big of pussy he is. Maybe the greatest pussy of all time.
Also if I got shot or grazed, I wouldn’t be worried about my shoes.
I really hate the guy but if you’ve never had a near-death experience you wouldn’t understand that your logic is a bit weird in the moment. it takes more than a couple of moments for your brain to catch up with reality. his shoes are special thick lift shoes to make him seem way taller because he’s extremely vain. if he fell out of his awkward tall shoes when he ducked, he probably would have been preoccupied in the moment with not appearing short and weak (his true form) until the reality caught up to him. I don’t doubt at all that some sycophantic pr stooge was yelling into his earpiece to “look triumphant, look triumphant!!” when he was getting back up though.
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We heard a lot of shots, where did they all go?
Sounds like at least one bystander was killed based on another comment.
I wouldn’t be surprised that it was a collateral damage when SS was trying to kill the shooter.
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Secret service shooting back for sure.
Yep.
I fully expect at least several “retaliatory” attacks against democrats in the next week by rabid MAGAts.
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It looks like it’s coming both from his ear and his mouth. I’m guessing the mouth part is from being tackled by the Secret Service.
Edit: there’s a photo of him on the ground with the blood clearly coming from his ear. I think the only injury was the ear. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/possible-shots-fired-at-trump-rally-in-butler-pennsylvania/
I wonder whether that agent was just waiting for his chance to clock him good
So 3 shots fired (rest were more rapid, so looked like SS responding), 2 people died, only trump get out of it without any major issue. A grazed ear implies that he survived by mere centimeters.
Then when going to the car he is mouthing “fight, fight, fight”. I’m sorry, but this is a very odd reaction for somebody that nearly died today.
He was trying to get people rioting on J6 (but that while succeeded, fortunately got stopped), he tried people to riot when he had criminal trial (didn’t work at all), and now in the heat of the moment, he thought that was perfect time to try it again?
For sake of everyone I hope this will also be unsuccessful. I’m glad Democrats quickly condemned this (this is something we quite missed in 2017-2020 when similar events happened).
Then when going to the car he is mouthing “fight, fight, fight”. I’m sorry, but this is a very odd reaction for somebody that nearly died today.
Adrenaline/Shock. Do not expect rational acts from people under shock. Do not expect actions in or out of character for them. You can be a completely different person in such a situation.
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Okay, I’ve gotten over my initial shock of this. Clearly this shouldn’t have happened but this is the same guy who said his VP should be hanged, and he himself has called for political violence against his enemies many, many times
I am glad that decent politicians are condemning this attack, as they should. But I think it makes sense to put this incident in perspective, Trump has promoted and supported political violence himself many times before this, including on Jan 6th
You’re confused. Conservative violence is always warranted, justified, and highly effective. That will be the narrative.
Ugh, how many times has this happened already? People were getting spooked by the heritage foundation yucky shit and now they’ll get distracted by this nonsense
Yup. While it wasn’t a good decision on the shooter’s part (as the GOP will be fired up even more now), I also cannot find any sympathy for Trump in this. I hope he got scared shitless.
Without evidence so many of you calling it fake. I guess we’re no smarter than the wackjobs
It’s really disheartening see everyone assumes it’s fake without all the facts being available yet.
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No offense, but that’s all just circumstantial … If Trump wasn’t sure what was happening, that he was shot and bleeding, and just thought the secret service was being overly cautious to what he might have thought was an incident already under control in the crowd, he would have acted exactly as he did. A shooting victim not realizing they’ve been shot or being disoriented and confused is nothing new.
The secret service and the cops not doing anything about it would make it a widespread conspiracy of the sort the GQP think generally happens against them, when the truth of the matter is the bigger and the more people the conspiracy involves the likelier there will be leaks. Specially if they are making it public for “thousands of cultists to line up”.
There may be any number of reasons the cops and the secret service may not have done anything: they might have thought it was an undercover sniper that was part of the security and without being able to pinpoint them were unable to do anything more. Hell. the person spotted may have been an undercover sniper, and the person who did the shooting might have gone undetected and failed precisely
because they used a hidden pistol and not a rifle(sources are reporting he used an AR-16, but did so outside the security perimeter for the event and on a sloped roof where the weapon could have been kept out of view where he was wearing camo), which might have been what was reported.After the shots, their focus was on the crowd and trying to spot any potential threats, not on what Trump was doing. Just because they are willing to hide away evidence of them being jackasses does not make them willing to participate in a conspiracy to this degree.
Congratulations, you and the people upvoting your are the flip side of the coin the GQP is on. Right now you are heading to a bubble just as much outside of reality as the pizzagate peoples, just wait for the facts to come out.
Dude, i get the urge for copoium, but damn:
The Secret Service is part of the government. And Trump gave them a hell lotta headaches already. You think they would all conspire with him to stage this?
With every event like this you will find someone who has saw something beforehand.
Did you ever get hit by a car, had a bullet hit near you, or had other close call accidents? Anyone in such a situation will be jacked up on Adrenaline, or just straight away under shock. You do not act rationally under shock I once got hit by a car and just wanted to continue walking. It took two people to tell me to chill and they will call an ambulance.
And final thought. the Secret Service is trying to rush him off stage, you see that in the video. But they are not going to shove him to the ground or drag him bis his legs.
Yeah, I had also something like that happened to me where I was super concerned about going to school, eventhough I was injured.
False flag crossed my mind as well, but it would require an absolutely massive conspiracy between federal, local LE, and some very dumb hicks that simply could not happen unnoticed.
Wow you are so calm and level-headed. I would be tempted for twice at least for a good measure. What if they missed it?
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This is the dumbest shit and we need to fucking grow up a bit. These “questions” are asinine and not that hard to explain.
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Not denying the incident was reported, but there’s a heavy insinuation here that this was set up or manufactured. If so… They needed an entire Secret Service detail, local event police and everyone standing by to be in on it. A couple hundred people are going to be involved and no one leaks it?
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“Supposed” gunman. I like how you pivot from “this is probably set up” to “ok even if it was real Trump is capable of worse”
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Again, the insinuation of an inside job here. We’re going to involve a hundred or more people and no one thought it would be a problem to kill a bystander? Or the gunman was so good he killed a specific plant? And they had a 100% success rate… No one heard the plan and thought “oh this is a bad idea” and spoke out about it?
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Big difference between deleting text messages and MURDERING AN AMERICAN to further a political agenda.
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Yes. Things happen all the time. Trump people are saying this is to distract from Biden being inept. There’s always a convenient time.
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Yes you dumbshit he was concerned about his hat because they already had the all clear. The shooter got taken out in seconds. They wouldn’t have moved Trump. And they all were saying it was all clear. Also have you ever seen people in an absolute panic? Not the most rational state. Same thing with his shoes. That’s ALSO why he took the photo op. They all dove on top of him. They figured out the shooter’s location and took him down before Trump even got up.
There’s pictures of the fucking bullet in flight. So either that was ALSO manufactured (a member of the press willingly heard the plan ahead of time and doctored a photo or they actually shot a bullet inches away from Trumps head AND captured it). But no let’s just get Trump, a bumbly ass fuck to orchestrate this perfectly. I’m sure he had it a planned to go down, and everyone covered him and he pulled out a razor blade, cut his ear, and put it away, all perfectly executed and no one caught anything on camera from any of the dozens of angles.
This shit is so fucking stupid and I’m so sick of hearing about it. These points all rely on the most ass backwards way of thinking where dozens of people are in on this conspiracy and relies on all of them bring cool with killing someone to make it good for Trump.
Get this shit outta here. This doesn’t deserve the pixels on the screen used to illuminate this nonsense. Be a fucking grown up. We’re going to have to figure out a real way to beat Trump, not pretend this was some false flag bullshit. Accept reality. Be a goddamn adult.
I’m not even saying you’re wrong for questioning, but I am saying you are wrong because the sheer volume of things that would need to occur for this theory to be even remotely possible is so ridiculous, I would consider aliens an equally plausible situation.
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You clearly didn’t even read it. I addressed that point specifically.
I’m not immune to criticism or critique, but if you’re going to respond, it’s good to know what you are responding to, or you look a bit foolish when you asked a question directly answered in the text.
You don’t even have to engage with the post, but not reading and engaging is what’s led to the collapse of good political discourse.
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I hope no innocent bystanders were injured.
Two people were killed: the potential shooter and someone else.
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Tbh I’m surprised this hasn’t happened sooner to him or the Supreme Court. Not that I endorse violence, I’m just kind of surprised considering all the violence the right wing has perpetrated up to now. It’s really a last resort for everyone else.
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I’m not. Now he’s a martyr and he was barely hurt.
Martyrs are dead by definition
As I said to someone else- that is the literal definition of a martyr, not the political concept of a martyr. The latter is what matters. There are plenty of examples of political martyrs who survived and did well because of it. The most prominent right now is the House Majority Leader, Steve Scalise, who survived the mass shooter at the congressional baseball game a few years ago and has been riding that sympathy wave ever since.
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Glad your happy… You going to be happy when his base rallies now, too?
I love how left leaning all of lemmy is… But the comments encouraging the violence or disappointment in the fact the shooter “missed”, seems off.
All emotions, big on rhetoric, not so good on repurcussions & consequences for actions.
However. I don’t see much really coming from this, just a galvanized Trump base. Maybe some switcjes in the middle. And I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s a false flag, “Oooo, LOOK, now we’ve found a conservative that wants to kill Biden! Both sides!”
…except nobody’s dumb enough to assassinate a senile lame duck. And everybody knows, nobody wants Kamala as POTUS. 🙄
Glad
youryou’re happy…ftfy.
Tell me any time in history where fascism has just said “You know what? You’re right. The votes say it all, we’re just gonna knock it off now…”
Violence has always been the thing that gets response. Without it, your begging and pleading is toothless. You’ll continue to get stomped on, you’ll continue to have your rights stripped away. You’ll continue to roll backwards in history until someone else says “You know what, this has gone too far…” and…uses violence to put an end to it.
You know why the pen is mightier than the sword? Because the pen can rally millions of swords in its place.
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The time traveler sent back to alter our timeline wasn’t a very good shot.
John Titor returns
There’s a wild ass theory out there about Trump being him. Since his uncle bought all of Tesla stuff.
This is the worst possible scenario.
Just wondering would it be any better if he was shot dead?
No one can replace him in the cult of personality. That’s kind of how it works. Now he’s a living martyr. The worst kind.
That didn’t answer my question.
Yes it did, you just don’t like how I avoided the answer you wanted to see.
I don’t know what do you think I wanted. I wanted to understand what American people think. If they like to avoid hard answers, it seems very similar to avoiding necessary solutions (at this point it may seem I support violence but I don’t). The scenario is becoming bad but everyone seems fine just doing nothing, as if people lost the right to affect anything.
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