As Trump is about to accept his third consecutive GOP nomination for president, Biden is off the campaign trail with Covid.
  • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
    724·
    10 months ago

    Plan would be simple. Resign from the Presidency for health and personal reasons. This would immediately promote Harris to the Presidency, who could inherit the campaign cash and pledged delegates, and begin to sharply campaign on continuing the Biden legacy and attacking Trump with every skill at her disposal.

    Wouldn’t be perfect, but it’d avoid a big, chaotic, inter-party fight with no prep time, and would preserve the sense of incumbency. Harris could even pick an actual progressive as her running mate, maybe a Katie Porter, and help shore up some support on that flank as she fights for the moderates.

    • toned_chupacabra@lemm.eeEnglish
      161·
      10 months ago

      Not a great nor necessary plan.

      1. If Biden resigns as president, yes Harris immediately becomes president. That means that Speaker of the House Mike Johnson is only one heartbeat from the presidency until January 20.

      There’s no way for Harris to appoint and get confirmed a replacement vice president, and it would be impossible anyway because replacing the vacant VP slot requires a majority of both the House and Senate.

      1. It doesn’t when work for becoming the new nominee. Becoming President due to a vacancy has exactly nothing to do with becoming the nominee for the election for president.

      Becoming President in this case is by the Constitution. It’s the law, it’s how our government works.

      Becoming the nominee is internal political party, legally private non-governmental business.

      What does work, whether or not one wants Harris as the new nominee, is this:

      Biden drops out as the Democratic nominee for President, while remaining in office as President saying he must put all his energy and attention into governing these remaining months.

      Then,

      IF the party wants Harris. Harris aggressively campaigns to be President ELSE
      Harris states she has to put all her energy and attention into helping Biden govern so will not accept a nomination.

      Open convention occurs, but likely with a lot of prior discussion and alignment towards one or two best candidate.

      Face saving all around

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        That means that Speaker of the House Mike Johnson is only one heartbeat from the presidency until January 20.

        That happens if Biden slips and falls in the bath tube, too. Its not an argument for keeping him at the top of the ticket.

        • toned_chupacabra@lemm.eeEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          That happens if Biden slips and falls in the bath tube, too. Its not an argument for keeping him at the top of the ticket.

          No that is not what happens. I’m not arguing to keep him at the top of the ticket. Exactly the opposite: I’m arguing to drop him from the not yet official ticket, but for him to stay on as president until his term ends. That keeps Johnson still only second-in-line for the presidency, with Harris still first-in-line.

          If Biden (referring to his governmental role as the current President) dies, Vice President Kamala Harris immediately becomes President.

          Whereas referring to his nongovernmental role once (IF) he becomes the official nominee of the Democratic Party, nobody is automatically elevated to be the new nominee of the party. If it’s before the election, the executive board of the DNC determines the new nominee. Harris would very likely become the official nominee, but that’s not their only choice.

          But Biden is not yet the official nominee no matter how many times he and his supporters say he is. He is only the presumptive nominee. So if he died, was incapacitated, or dropped out as a candidate for the nomination now, before the convention roll call, it becomes essentially an open convention and the nominee is chosen the way it used to be, by the convention. Which might take multiple roll calls, behind the scenes favors trading, and all sorts of “fun” drama.

          In none of those cases is Speaker of the House Johnson elevated to anything.

      • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        10 months ago

        Dems control the Senate. For the House, would just need a couple repubs to flip. Otherwise it would have to be left vacant I suppose. Mike Johnson being next in line does not worry me.

        Correct, Harris would not automatically become the dem nominee. However, assuming Biden’s chosen delegates are loyal to him, I think it’s reasonable to guess they would honor his chosen successor and voluntarily vote according to his wishes.

        A convention is a possibility, and I’m not completely against it. It complicates matters severely though, and not for very significant gain since citizens can’t really vote again in such a short timeframe.

    • cabron_offsets@lemmy.world
      93·
      10 months ago

      Not my fave plan but it’ll do. Shit, I’m voting D no matter what. I will always vote against the republican traitor filth.

      • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        10 months ago

        I don’t think we need someone popular to beat Trump. Just someone that can run a strong campaign.

        Trumps fans may love him, but he is not himself a broadly popular figure in any other circles.

    • John Richard@lemmy.worldBanned from community
      310·
      10 months ago

      So lie to voters more and say it is for health and personal reasons when he’s been saying he’s fine this whole time? What a final FU that’s be and what a way to energize your base with another big lie. He should admit that he was wrong and has decided to step aside cause he thinks it’s best for the voters and best for the party and best for the country. PERIOD. Nothing else needs to be said.

      • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13·
        10 months ago

        I don’t think voters would blame a politician for trying to portray strength in their campaign. Sensible ones anyway.

        • MsPenguinette@lemmy.world
          5·
          10 months ago

          I think there is a difference between messaging and denial. I feel like the Biden campaign often goes so far overboard when presenting the positives that it comes across as dismissive and tone deaf. Kind of like how it’s frustrating when someone in a debate doesn’t actually answer the question but instead just pivots to talk about whatever.

          • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
            4·
            10 months ago

            Yeah, there’s been a lot of team Biden messaging that’s reminded me of HRC16 messaging, and that’s been giving me the willies. Hillary and her campaign came off as hugely tone deaf, and ultimately relied on just bashing people with “just shut up and vote or we’ll get Hitler”, and that’s kinda what the Biden messaging has been lately as well. It’s not a happy thing to see resemblances in.

  • Snapz@lemmy.world
    331·
    9 months ago

    Once again, it offered a sharp contrast with former President Donald Trump, who, even after his brush with death on Saturday, will appear at a raucous coronation at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee on Thursday night.

    Lick boots harder, you complicit oligarch fucks.

  • Hurculina Drubman@lemm.ee
    301·
    10 months ago

    fuck man. did they leave him up this long just so we automatically vote for whoever they put up next out of sheer desperation

    • Grimy@lemmy.world
      291·
      10 months ago

      As much as I hate it, I think there too much subconscious misogyny to try it. It’s a recipe for failure.

        • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          9 months ago

          I think that would work for her. There’s way more minorities and centrists that would come out to vote for her because of Obama’s legacy than racists that would stay home out of spite IMO. I certainly don’t think she’ll be anything like Obama, but one could hope.

        • FinishingDutch@lemmy.world
          5·
          9 months ago

          Well as a European, I’m going to give the US some credit: voters did elect a black, ‘possibly-Muslim’ guy with a name that sounds vaguely like a well-known terrorist. And they elected him twice.

          Besides, the democrats really appear to be in a situation where they’ll vote for a proverbial ham sandwich if it stops Trump from getting the presidency.

          Are there racist voters who hate women? Obviously. But it’s not like it’s an immediate disqualification.

        • torsday@lemmy.world
          41·
          9 months ago

          Though racism is a factor, that doesn’t mean she isn’t also a bad candidate.

      • TreeGhost@lemm.ee
        5·
        10 months ago

        Aren’t all of the misogynists already voting for Trump? I think just being a younger woman candidate could energize the younger voting base.

        • Grimy@lemmy.world
          31·
          9 months ago

          I’m afraid a lot of older Dems just wouldn’t vote, it’s a low turnout that could be killer.

          I don’t know if she really resonated with the younger voters that much, not like AOC for instance.

    • NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world
      9·
      10 months ago

      Probably not, she’s got the charisma of Hillary, and two strikes (race and gender) against her. But Biden is dragging the rest of the party down with him. With Harris we probably get a Trump presidency (we have at least a fighting chance to avoid it). But with Biden we get a Trump presidency, a landslide election giving him a “mandate” and assuredly a Republican House and Senate to go along with it. Sooo worth a shot with the old switcharoo I guess.

    • anon_8675309@lemmy.world
      104·
      10 months ago

      She can’t.

      Whitmer maybe could. If she has a strong running mate.

      Harris just isnt a good candidate.

  • ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world
    31·
    10 months ago

    Is part of the reason for a big drop off in “big donor money” because of Biden’s (sudden) age?

    Or are the wealthy just accepting that Trump will make them way wealthier than they already are at the trivial cost of democracy that would only affect the poors anyhow?

    Seems like democracy in America is already snuffed out and the wealthy rats are happily trying to get the last good spots on the dictator-ship